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Another GC employment tribunal. Adam's vs Edinburgh Rape Crsis

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Rainbowshit · 15/01/2024 10:04

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Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

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BeethovenNinth · 17/01/2024 19:54

As a woman in Scotland, I do wonder what has become of my once great country. Legally, constitutionally, economically, educationally and morally.

RethinkingLife · 17/01/2024 20:12

BeethovenNinth · 17/01/2024 19:54

As a woman in Scotland, I do wonder what has become of my once great country. Legally, constitutionally, economically, educationally and morally.

The backbone of Scots women who won't wheesht are grand. If anyone can save Scotland, it's this cadre of fine women who stand for rationality as a core belief.

JKR, Cherry, the triumvirate of Murray Blackburn Mackenzie, the courage of Hotchkiss, RA herself…So many utterly splendid women.

Waitwhat23 · 17/01/2024 20:26

Mind all that 'best wee country in the world' pish a few years back?

Cringy then, laughable now.

Waitwhat23 · 17/01/2024 20:27

But agree that Scottish women are a force to be reckoned with.

Froodwithatowel · 17/01/2024 20:31

RethinkingLife · 17/01/2024 20:12

The backbone of Scots women who won't wheesht are grand. If anyone can save Scotland, it's this cadre of fine women who stand for rationality as a core belief.

JKR, Cherry, the triumvirate of Murray Blackburn Mackenzie, the courage of Hotchkiss, RA herself…So many utterly splendid women.

Absobloodylutely.

Not to mention some excellent MNetters.

Rainbowshit · 17/01/2024 20:32

BeethovenNinth · 17/01/2024 19:54

As a woman in Scotland, I do wonder what has become of my once great country. Legally, constitutionally, economically, educationally and morally.

Same. We used to have such respected politicians etc. now we're a laughing stock.

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Karensalright · 17/01/2024 20:38

Wholly appropriate and suitable outrage from all here, made me feel much better.

I found the descriptions of how the service user(that we know about) was treated, terribly upsetting and painful to me, having spent a large part of my career in the sector of “for women by women” organisations, defending the service users safety over any other interest.

The battle with externals that didn’t like you campaigning and challenging public sector failings. Being told to accommodate men, allow professionals in to your service against victim wishes.

Keeping your agency survivor focussed against, “strap lining” “branding” and “PR”

is a tough call, left people like me professionally isolated, that leaves trustees very vulnerable to the politically well connected which is what seems to me to have happened here.

And sure as light is day the funding followed the well connected incumbent

Who gives a shite that she was a he, it must have been clear to them, but hey ho the golden egg shone lighter than the square jaw and the big hands, and deep voice.

Lost their way big time.

Rant over

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/01/2024 20:45

Rainbowshit · 17/01/2024 20:32

Same. We used to have such respected politicians etc. now we're a laughing stock.

If it's any comfort, unthinking adherence to this ideology turns all once respected politicians into drivelling idiots.
It will only get worse as the unethical medical experimentation on children is exposed and they all have to explain why they called everyone insistent on safeguarding children, bigots and transphobes.

Appalonia · 17/01/2024 21:00

Utterly chilling this testimony is. ERCC should be shut down, it's absolutely unfit for purpose.

RethinkingLife · 17/01/2024 21:02

Someone posted this on FWR a while back (apologies that I can't give a HT to whichever poster it was):

I have organized my remarks around four themes:

1 The atmosphere of fear and self-censorship;

2 The omnipresence of ideology (examples from science);

3 The intolerance of dissenting opinions (suppression of ideas and people, censorship, Newspeak);

4 The use of social engineering to solve real and imagined problems.

https://hxstem.substack.com/p/from-russia-with-love-science-and

All of which is disturbingly like the atmosphere at ERCC from the content of this tribunal. This brings me onto something from Gurwinder Bhogal:

When intelligent people affiliate themselves to ideology, their intellect ceases to guard against wishful thinking, and instead begins to fortify it, causing them to inadvertently mastermind their own delusion, and to very cleverly become stupid.

https://twitter.com/G_S_Bhogal/status/1061011900278980608

From Russia with Love: Science and Ideology Then and Now

by Anna I. Krylov, Department of Chemistry, University of Southern California

https://hxstem.substack.com/p/from-russia-with-love-science-and

Justabaker · 17/01/2024 21:11

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/01/2024 18:02

What was meant by the discussion around reparation being almost inevitable?
Is it an acknowledgement that ERCC is at fault?

Hi - the first phase of the tribunal is provision evidence to determine responsibility - essentially was the respondent guilty, second is remedy or damages. The judge wants to get the evidence phase completed by Wednesday next week. They almost always schedule the remedy phase because it's easier to cancel then to wait until the judgment is out and then schedule. The ERCC barrister wasn't tacitly admitting fault. Even though he's working with bad facts as we say.

Rainbowshit · 17/01/2024 21:22

Appalonia · 17/01/2024 21:00

Utterly chilling this testimony is. ERCC should be shut down, it's absolutely unfit for purpose.

Women, the real type, are going to just have to burn the whole fucking thing down and start again aren't we?

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/01/2024 21:27

We already have started again. Lesbians meet in secret, terfs have discord and whatsapps and meetings at every level in every sector and everybody's billionaire opened a refuge because she saw a need.

It's quite exciting and utterly depressing.

Froodwithatowel · 17/01/2024 21:27

And this time follow JK Rowling's example. No LA money, no hands being tied, no politics and no bloody men.

Winnading · 17/01/2024 22:04

Rainbowshit · 17/01/2024 21:22

Women, the real type, are going to just have to burn the whole fucking thing down and start again aren't we?

Already started.
Plenty of underground meetings, using apps to arrange stuff. All sorts.
So sad though that women have to meet in secret and sometimes shut down and regroup because one person thought bringing their bestest friend transwoman with them would teach us all how lovely they really are.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 17/01/2024 22:37

Tallisker · 17/01/2024 18:55

That would be great if you could, Equa.

I'm sure it must help to know how many women, mostly strangers, have her back.

As well as women, any man with a sense of justice. It is absolutely clear that RA was appallingly treated, as was the service user we have heard about.

GreenSunfish · 17/01/2024 22:45

Mmmnotsure · 17/01/2024 14:35

RA: An enormous sense of injustice. And fear. I am not transphobic but that was being shoehorned into everything - a lens that everything was seen through.

RA must have missed the memo declaring that everything is transphobic 🙄

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/01/2024 22:59

Justabaker · 17/01/2024 21:11

Hi - the first phase of the tribunal is provision evidence to determine responsibility - essentially was the respondent guilty, second is remedy or damages. The judge wants to get the evidence phase completed by Wednesday next week. They almost always schedule the remedy phase because it's easier to cancel then to wait until the judgment is out and then schedule. The ERCC barrister wasn't tacitly admitting fault. Even though he's working with bad facts as we say.

Excellent explanation. That makes perfect sense to me now Flowers

Karensalright · 17/01/2024 23:06

Emotions aside what seems apparent is JKR is funding this as others amongst us have said.

I like to think that JKR has in her hands the extraordinary power of money, for her a Witchery and a wand, that she could never have anticipated. How circular, given the stories she has written, and how ironic and iconic.

No other woman in history, who has come from a humble background in to privilege has ever turned back to look and intervene from whence she came from, in such a way.

It seems to me being a barrack room lawyer, that this case that she (i hope) funds is very very clever.

It does not as far as i can tell test the complainants GC beliefs at all. I suspect that at preliminary hearings the Garrick test was passed.

It seems to me that what is on trial is gender identity ideology and if it is protected and allowed as a service delivery model that permits the expulsion of non adherents.

Thats what i think anyway.

Back to JKR art often meets social politics she is something else, eat your heart out banksy, (BTW i love him)

Tallisker · 17/01/2024 23:07

Yes indeed Rapid, didn't mean to miss you out ☺️

Mmmnotsure · 17/01/2024 23:21

@Karensalright I think that's very pertinent. As you say, the complainant is in some ways only a vehicle here as she was representing a service user. The question relates to all potential service users - for ERCC read any government-funded organisation (taxpayer's money): can the people who run these organisations (and are being paid out of taxes to do so) refuse help/services to members of the public (the taxpayers) on the grounds of their personal beliefs and the ideology they follow, religious, political, etc.

And yes, agree JKR is wondrous.

Karensalright · 17/01/2024 23:31

@Mmmnotsure Well totally not. One cannot screens people on the basis of their personal beliefs. It is the need that must be assessed as a support service.

I had in my agency one occasion a British nationalist seeking help. Was a challenge plonked her in a predominately Asian refuge worked a treat. The key was exposing her to another point of view

BlessedKali · 17/01/2024 23:35

Karensalright · 17/01/2024 23:31

@Mmmnotsure Well totally not. One cannot screens people on the basis of their personal beliefs. It is the need that must be assessed as a support service.

I had in my agency one occasion a British nationalist seeking help. Was a challenge plonked her in a predominately Asian refuge worked a treat. The key was exposing her to another point of view

Something about this makes me uncomfortable.

BlessedKali · 17/01/2024 23:38

When people are seeking help, it should not be a time to make a lofty judgement on their set of beliefs and choose a way to 'reeducate' them

Karensalright · 17/01/2024 23:39

@BlessedKali Yes i was uncomfortable but the minute you gatekeeper services, the minute you have a service agenda which is where ERCC are at.

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