Jane Clare Jones on purity spirals

[IamSarah]

Really insightful post on X the platform formally known as Twitter I feel it's worth sharing on here:

x.com/janeclarejones/status/1745760345954689255?s=46&t=NGJBRqkXgp1UazF5I8yjXA

Any movement that has two focuses - for example, feminism and ensuring a labour government, is going to come into more problems than two separate groups.

So why hasn't this GC space which is one of the only places for years where we can talk about this, been infiltrated by white nationalists/Christian fundamentalists?

This is true.

I have just checked Hansard to find out what Kemi Badenoch actually said. Mysteriously, it turns out the person responsible for the popularised phrase "woke archaeology" was a... man. Why is Kemi being derided for Philip's turn of phrase?

This is a feminism board, not a cherchez-la-femme board.

Why do you think it hasn't?
There are certainly posters expressing opinions that are congruent with populist and fundamentalist Christian viewpoints. And being extremely defensive if that's pointed our.

I don't recognise any posters like that.

Out of interest, is JCJ willing to listen/ debate KJK?

I don't need to ask if the opposite applies, as I know that KJK is open minded enough to do it.

She wrote to the museum. She'd have been better telling him to write to the museum or even better, saying that scientific research studies were a matter for the academic bodies and she trusted it was rigorous.

Which posters?

And what did they say that was 'congruent with populist and fundamentalist Christian viewpoints'?

Some posters see random extremes and go on about it

In pp going on about anti vaxx, same as the Christian fundamentalist bit

There’s no foundation

I’ve not noticed Christian fundamentalists. I worry about fessing up ’cos I got the impression everyone else is more like to be atheist.
Again- not a fundamentalist myself. No believer in God having made men the boss! 😂

There are certainly posters expressing opinions that are congruent with populist and fundamentalist Christian viewpoints. And being extremely defensive if that's pointed out.

I'm not on here much these days but I can't say I recognise that either.

There are regular posts about immigrants/birth rates/cultural threats that are consistent with replacement theory. Maybe a coincidence,maybe not.

I got called a "shitlib" on here a while back. That's a term popular in the USA as an insult by their right wing. It doesn't translate to UK politics. That leads me to believe US right wingers are posting here.

Anyway, people are more than capable of analysing posters views themselves. I'm just explaining what rings my alarm bells.

I think it’s a particular focus of one poster tbh

I don’t want people to feel they have to be atheist to post on FWR any more than they need to know feminist theory

So not on this thread, but on other threads or other boards or other forums or in other countries or somewhere and they are mysteriously just like fundamentalists and it's all feminists fault or something that one person called you a 'shitlib' which I presume means shit liberal?

Right ho.

I think she's just trying to say GC women should be aware not all GC people share the same motivations, and be careful about where they put their investment of time.

The tone of the post didn't come across so reasonably to me, though I appreciate it did you. The 'these women associating with bad people are making it hard for me to do what I think is the priority, which is proper feministing because it's what I do' put my back up. Though as I said, I'm not on twitter so can only go on the tweet I saw.

On other threads on this board, which is a GC space. That's why I'm questioning people saying those kinds of posters aren't here. My experience is that they are.

Idk what a shitlib is really, I had to Google it after I got called it.

More than that, I'm not sure feminism is coherent enough as an ideology to be a very useful label. Maybe it means "influenced by certain 20th century ideas about the place of women in society" but it's still so broad that it could mean almost anything.

Or alternately, some make it so narrow (you must believe in "the patriarchy" you must accept a Marxist view of the hierarchy of oppression, you must advocate for all abortion restrictions to be banned at any stage of pregnancy without any qualms, you must believe all differences between men and women in society represent socialized differences that are disadvantageous to women, etc) that of course there are going to be tons of women, probably most, who don't agree, and yet they still feel comfortable claiming to speak for women as a whole.

To look to practically address women's needs in society seems like a much more effective and also reality based proposition, and in many ways, more respectful of the many different perspectives that actual women have.

Have you confirmed that what she posted is a lie? Can you confirm that Rise did not refer a male to a refuge where the women there had the expectation that it would only ever be female people?

Absolutely. I'm happy to talk to anyone with different beliefs or absence of beliefs; imo feminism is for every woman, whether she's religious or not, whatever race she is, whatever political party she may vote for.

This is not a GC space. Anyone can post on here. This place is constantly posted on by men, TRAs, incels, all sorts.

You really need a wake up call pet. This isn't a therapy group where everyone has to be kind or they are escorted from the premises. Many people on here hate women, let alone GC women.

To look to practically address women's needs in society seems like a much more effective and also reality based proposition, and in many ways, more respectful of the many different perspectives that actual women have.

I agree with that and cgaf about the term 'feminism'. It can be a useful shorthand but as noted, it can also be too broad to really be meaningful.

Interesting, thanks.

This isnt a GC space. MN advertise this as a "A feminism forum for sex and gender discussions, feminist chat, theory and intersectional feminism."

It could be intersectional feminists you have a problem with for all you know.