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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anti trans debate

187 replies

Beedleneedle · 12/01/2024 04:50

I’ve noticed on mumsnet there’s a strong feminist anti trans stance. That’s fine in theory, but I’m surprised these topics affect so many people. In my day to day life I never experience any push/agenda! Where is this happening?

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Rightsraptor · 12/01/2024 04:51

Oh dear, @Beedleneedle ! You'll need to try harder than that.

Beedleneedle · 12/01/2024 04:52

@Rightsraptor ok not sure what you mean

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sashh · 12/01/2024 04:53

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Hepwo · 12/01/2024 04:57

I haven't come across "day to day" a pregnant postmistress sent to prison but I'm still angry it happened.

2024GarlicCloves · 12/01/2024 04:58

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Beedleneedle · 12/01/2024 05:01

@Hepwo ok fair enough. I suppose I’m just surprised at the widespread anger directed to what I perceive to be a relatively small group of people with loud voices. It’s enabling a platform and voice

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2024GarlicCloves · 12/01/2024 05:04

Beedleneedle · 12/01/2024 05:01

@Hepwo ok fair enough. I suppose I’m just surprised at the widespread anger directed to what I perceive to be a relatively small group of people with loud voices. It’s enabling a platform and voice

What does your last sentence mean? What's enabling which platform, whose voice?

Beedleneedle · 12/01/2024 05:05

@2024GarlicCloves i only hear trans debate on here! No where else in my life am I affected

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2024GarlicCloves · 12/01/2024 05:06

Beedleneedle · 12/01/2024 05:05

@2024GarlicCloves i only hear trans debate on here! No where else in my life am I affected

Hmm. Then our work is nowhere near done!

Beedleneedle · 12/01/2024 05:08

I guess not, as all I have had is angry responses for asking a genuine question. What is it you’ve experienced? What inspires you to be so passionate about this?

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2024GarlicCloves · 12/01/2024 05:14

Huh? Where do you see anger?

I'd have thought it natural and obvious that I'd be passionate about defending women's rights & autonomy as female humans.

Beedleneedle · 12/01/2024 05:18

But is is just theoretical?

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ADoggyDogWorld · 12/01/2024 05:21

Being pro women is not anti trans, HTH.

Agrona · 12/01/2024 05:26

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porridgecake · 12/01/2024 05:27

Hmm. I suspect goady/ faux naive post. But you ask where this is happening. Do you mean the indoctrination related to trans ideology?
Schools
Universities
BBC
Civil Service
Police
NHS
Guides
Scouts
Labour Party
Green Party
Lib Dems
SNP
There are more but those are a start.

Beedleneedle · 12/01/2024 05:30

@porridgecake not goady no, naive sure! I’m simply saying in my experience the only time I ever come across trans debate is here on mumsnet. I’m just surprised people are so passionate about the impact on our lives when I don’t experience it.

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porridgecake · 12/01/2024 05:31

Do you not get out much OP? Read newspapers? Watch TV? Have anything to do with children or schools? Sports?

SinnerBoy · 12/01/2024 05:33

Beedleneedle · Today 05:08

I guess not, as all I have had is angry responses for asking a genuine question.

In have read all of the responses and re-read them; I see no anger. Could you copy one of the posts, which you think has an angry tone?

2024GarlicCloves · 12/01/2024 05:34

I haven't written this little thought experiment for a while. It's as much for other readers as for you, OP.

Imagine you come home to find a small group of disabled people has moved in while you were down the shops. "Hey," you say, "Who are you and what are you doing in my home?"

"Oh, we live here" they tell you, smiling. "It's a nice home, there's plenty of room!"

"But it's my home, not yours!" you protest.

"It's ours, too!" they say: "Nobody's saying you don't live here. We're the same as you, we live in this home."

They don't go. They help themselves to your food, stand and watch you in the bathroom, try on your clothes and watch your TV. You call the police.

The police tell you to be kind. These people are clearly vulnerable, they need a home and a nice life. You've got plenty to spare.

Everyone you know starts calling your unwanted guests by your name.

It becomes clear that they have, in fact, adopted every aspect of your life - and, weirdly, nobody seems bothered by it. When your friends invite you out, everybody takes it for granted that your disabled housemates are coming too.

You shove them out and lock the door on them. They mount a protest, calling the media to film them with their placards saying you hate disabled people and are denying them the right to a normal life.

You co-workers tell you they are disability allies and call you a disability hater.

Your friends tell you to be kind, and to educate yourself about disability needs. "What about my needs?" you ask.

"You're fine!" your friends assure you; "Your life's still exactly as it was, it's just that you don't want to share with people less able than yourself!"

You still don't want these people invading your life and passing themselves off as you. Are you a disability hater?

Beedleneedle · 12/01/2024 05:36

@porridgecake yes I can see it in the media, but I have yet to experience trans rights activists impede on my life by being in the bogs

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2024GarlicCloves · 12/01/2024 05:42

Beedleneedle · 12/01/2024 05:36

@porridgecake yes I can see it in the media, but I have yet to experience trans rights activists impede on my life by being in the bogs

If you haven't seen it, it doesn't happen?

Are there any wars going on at the moment? Have you been there, getting shot at?

What about the snowstorms they've just had in Scandinavia? The volcano in Iceland? Have you got to be there to know it happened?

Beedleneedle · 12/01/2024 05:46

@2024GarlicCloves ok. I’m sorry I’ve offended so many people. I’m not denying it’s not happening. I’m just surprised at the depth of feeling here and wonder if it’s passionate people on the subject (understandable) or just impacting peoples lives on a wider basis than I am yet to experience

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porridgecake · 12/01/2024 05:48

Many people do care deeply about things that are detremental to other people, especially to children or to women who have been raped, for example. Are you saying you only care if something affects you personally?