Wtf is Alan Cummings blithering on about?

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Just seems to be a stream of tripe and non sequiturs. Was he drunk? High?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12948343/Alan-Cumming-says-public-arms-Rishi-Sunak-denying-existence-trans-people.html

"Oh come now", now you're resorting to 'he meant something different from the words he actually said'. Really? That's the best you can come up with?

Except they aren't, are they, because lots of women have been making everyone aware of the law and companies are also finding people don't like gender neutral toilets.

Look, if that's more important to you than maternal death rates, decriminalised rape, women in poverty, lack of mental health support for children etc that's your choice

Oh sorry, what I meant was of course you are right, he's an idiot, how clever you are.

Ah, we all know this tune, so everyone join in:

He didn't say it.
But if he did say it, he didn't mean it.
But if he did mean, it wasn't that bad.
...

It was the Tories who started a process of GRA reform to make acquiring a GRC easier. It's the Tories who have been in power overseeing the last 14 years of the expansion of gender ideology into every area of the public services.

Labour propose to make it easier still.

They also oppose biological sex definition which is the best way out of this.

Worse than all that they instigated this damaging farce by creating the GRA to start with.

Did you ever come back with the conclusive evidence that Starmer no longer includes males with a GRC in his definition of 'female' as in a male has changed his 'biological' sex to be 'female' in Starmer and Starmer's supportive MPs view?

Eh?

We shouldn't fight bad things, because fighting has resulted in them getting slightly better (or at least not getting as bad as fast)?

Is that really what you're saying? Really?

I read a fascinating essay on rhetorical devices discussing exactly this - the subject was Dubya Bush and his incoherent speeches. The suggestion was that they were intentionally illogical and garbled, peppered wth keywords, and had exactly the effect you describe.

I wish I could remember where I read it! A very interesting blog on rhetoric.

It is almost like people cannot work on multiple issues at the same time. It is almost like a huge government cannot work on many issues at the same time.

Absolute bollocks

Moreover, let me be clear: we are proud of the Equality Act and will oppose any Conservative attempt to undermine it. We will protect and uphold it in government, including both its protected characteristics and its provision for single-sex exemptions.

there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.

Are you under the impression that it was Tory party policy to vote against the GRA in 2004?

I must admit that I am looking forward to seeing the laws and policies that both the government AND women's groups are suggesting should be changed that solely and will only ever refer to toilet usage.

Interesting. Labour not even responsible for their own law

And..... any quote from Starmer and his shadow ministers as to whether or not a male with a GRC will be defined as a female, or a 'biological woman'? Without that quote, the statement you are quoting is meaningless to many who doubt that Starmer has changed his mind and has just changed his phrasing.

It’ll be interesting to see which spaces exactly can refuse access to males with a female GRC and how

The goalposts started over there => with Cummings saying a culture war was being fought, using toilets as an example

Not at all, just pointing out that the Tories didn't en masse vote or campaign against it. But then you apparently believe that 14 years of Tory government with the associated ability to legislate has absolutely no relevance to the position we find ourselves in today, because a couple of MPs seem to know what a woman is.

That’s your wording, not mine. And it’s not accurate summary of my views.

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Not saying that at all, just pointing out that the Tories didn't en masse vote or campaign against it. But then you apparently believe that 14 years of Tory government with the associated ability to legislate has absolutely no relevance to the position we find ourselves in today, because a couple of MPs seem to know what a woman is.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there.

Note he's got a one man show tour coming up so he's probably trying to stoke up a bit of controversy on his pet subjects. I wonder if there will be questions from the audience or just a diatribe denouncing MN, Kemi, Glinner and women over 45 who will all be called Karen.

Very interesting points @NoBinturongsHereMate . I'd never considered incoherence as a manipulation strategy. Come to think of it ; this resonates with Ronson's method. He just witters on in his 'sweet reasonableness ' voice and sort of leaves questions hanging for the listener to fill in the blanks. They are both closer to Alan Partridge than they realise.

I think Trump was called on doing this too.

I don't know why a politician would use the gender issue as a distraction, when the actual issue makes them look worse than anything.

They haven't wanted to speak about it at all, much less distract people with it.

And when they do speak about it, they look like complete twats.

They want to avoid the issue, in my opinion, not embrace it in order to divert attention.

It's the media and women's groups who are forcing the conversation. Not politicians.

Personally, this issue has got so fucking out of hand, that to me, it seems symbolic of a huge rise in misogyny generally.

And too many institutions have been captured.

When the police are sanctioning sexual assault on women, why would anyone think they are going to concentrate positively on rape statistics?

And how can anyone trust them?

When the NHS deny a woman has been raped, because the man who raped her said he wasn't a man, why would they give a flying fuck about maternal mortality?

And how can anyone trust them??

This issue is uniting women everywhere.

Women who would never have considered themselves feminist, are coming together to deal with it. And in doing so, they are getting a masterclass in feminism. Rape statistics, male violence against women and girls, sex education in schools, women prisoners.

All of it.

And yes, it's all important.