Wtf is Alan Cummings blithering on about?

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Just seems to be a stream of tripe and non sequiturs. Was he drunk? High?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12948343/Alan-Cumming-says-public-arms-Rishi-Sunak-denying-existence-trans-people.html

ArabellaScott · Today 07:45

Also - the number of angels on the head of a pin - why does nobody ever consider GIANT PINS?

Are you being cryptic?

GIANT PINS = Paints Gin

What I don’t get is why people keep banging on about “intersex” and whether there are more than two sexes at all, at least in relation to genderism. It’s irrelevant.

Even if you could prove that sex is a spectrum and there are more than two sexes, or something “in between” male and female, so what? Why would that make it make any sense to “identify” as something you’re not?

Genderists often say sex isn’t gender. If being transgender just meant being gender-non-conforming, or what used to be called “gender-bending”, then fine. But it doesn’t, because it seems to involve cross-sex hormones and surgery and trying to “pass” (except when it doesn’t, which we’re also supposed to accept that someone is just magically the opposite sex or neither sex just by saying so)

They also bust a gut to say sex is a spectrum, or complex, blah blah. But race is a spectrum. So are height, age and disability. And yet none of these things being a spectrum mean that it’s fine to “identify” as a place on the spectrum other than the reality, and be taken seriously or awarded recognition for that in law.

The thinking is so muddled. I can’t even be bothered to argue with these sophists about whether sex is a spectrum or there are more than two sexes. There aren’t, but it doesn’t matter. It wouldn’t make any difference. It wouldn’t mean someone who is male can just somehow be female. People who think that do exist. People who are that don’t. That’s just fact. If you’re drawn to the gender stereotypes of the opposite sex then knock yourself out. Plenty of people have been doing that for centuries.

I cannot believe that, in 2024, there are still people who seem to think they can use 'intersex' as some kind of gotcha without getting their arse handed back to them.

He’s just being the wee ‘like me’ luvvie. Well, I can love a trans person but it doesn’t mean I believe that they’re the sex they identify as. And he’s saying the Prime Minister is wrong for saying that there are only two sexes and that trans people don’t exist? Of course they exist!

To me the following statements are both true:

1. There are 2 sexes, male and female
2. Trans people exist - they are people who often sincerely believe that they should have been born the opposite sex and who find living their lives, and perhaps taking steps to physically alter themselves so that they are hopefully perceived by others to be the opposite sex, is how they feel happiest and well.

i don’t doubt the depths and sincerity of the trans people I have met in real life. I’ve been able to muddle along with them and enjoy their company without ever making a declaration that they ARE the sex they wanted to be - they were just my flat-mate or my work colleague and we all knew they were trans. I wish we could go back to that time and I’m sure there’s lots of trans people who wish we could too.

I see them all the time chatting in their echo chambers with everyone virtually nodding.

it’s a shock to come out into the real world

wtf this is idiotic

I don't think we're going to find out today.

He is an idiot.

All seems to make sense to me. Which bit are people struggling with?

He talks shite on most things so no surprises here.

I believe that even those who have ovotestes would not produce both sperm and ova. And that both or one set of gonads are “streak gonads” meaning tissue is present but not in a functional way.

So again, with modern medical and scientific knowledge ALL humans can be categorised as either male or female. The use of the term ‘intersex’ is usually an indicator that a person is either jot up to date on the current findings or has been reading gender identity activist material where the term is adhered to for ideological purposes.

How can you be both and at the same time neither male or female. Maybe you could explain how that works?

'Why do we allow, our Prime Minister actually said that there's only male and female there's no in-between, I mean how dare he say that?

Yup total tripe.

Nobody - not even the most vociferous GC person on the planet - is saying trans people don't exist. They are, sadly, painfully and noisily constantly up in our faces to the point that in some areas of discussion, productive conversations can't happen.

What makes people look silly is pretending people can actually change sex and not talk about trans issues calmly and sensibly

How about

'Why do we allow, our Prime Minister actually said that there's only male and female there's no in-between, I mean how dare he say that?
'And how dare we, we should be up in arms about that, that he's just denying the existence of all these, of trans people, and you know sadly people listen to Prime Ministers.'

What is he saying here? That trans people are neither male nor female? Trans people are 'in-between' male & female? That saying that there are 2 sexes makes trans people disappear? What's his point? Maybe you could clarify.

Trans people exist

Muslims exist. But that doesn’t mean I have to believe in Islam or wear a hijab or burka. TRAs are looking to bring in the sort of laws Iran would be proud of, and blasphemy laws akin to those used in Pakistan to persecute minority Christian communities.

My favourite bit

'Like people keep doing their jobs and also you know we do things to our face and our bodies to make a smoke screen, so you don't know how old we really are, and you know, even President Biden hasn't done that.

he seems to be talking about something he doesn't approve of. Then uses Biden as an example of someone who 'hasn't done that', so seems to be saying 'and that old bastard is capable of anything' 😆

Also, tbf, to the person who made the first post (I won't @ them as they don't seem to have come back), they did write 'That makes perfect sense?'. I didn't initially notice the question mark. Unless, perhaps they were typing with an Australian accent?

@SaffronSpice by tra logic you've just made Islam vanish. Tut!

Or ever 😂

I'm getting everything wrong today buuuuut
Isnt the head of a pin the pointed bit? Therefore no matter how giant sized a pin it is, the pointy end is tiny?

Totally misses point of thread <<<<< see what I did there?

Zeno's pin? It's always halving in pointiness thickness but never actually ends...

I assume the head of the pin is the flat bit, but I have no expertise in pin architecture beyond knowing which end is the prick.

To be fair, GC people and trans activists have slight different definitions of "trans". I accept the existence of "male-bodied people who believe themselves to be women" (as a definition of "trans women"). I don't believe in the existence of "male-bodied people who are women" (the trans activist definition of the same).

But of course it's crazy to pretend that the existence of the latter sort of person is self-evident and that anyone who can't see that is unreasonable. Religious Jews consider themselves to be God's chosen nation. If someone says they don't believe in the existence of God's chosen nation nobody is making headlines saying they think "Jews don't exist".

I agree with him about this:

Speaking on 5 News, Alan, who has long been an advocate for LGBT rights, said he believes the debate over trans rights is part of a larger culture war.

He explained: 'I think that the culture wars are awful. We don't really talk about policies, we don't really talk about real issues, or things that are really important.

'What we do is we grab on to things like trans kids and bathrooms, and we make that the culture war.

The Good Wife star told how he believes politicians do things the public don't want because they are 'desperate to hang on to their jobs'.

He said: 'I think it's interesting the way sometimes politicians behave in England, that they are so desperate to hang on to their jobs that they do things that do not reflect the wishes of the people who elected them.

I've edited for readability, as the Daily Mail would have done if they hadn't been deliberately trying to make Cummings look stupid.

The issue of sex bases rights has basically turned into a huge smokescreen for the Tories for all the ways they shaft women on a day to day basis. Far better for the Tories that we discuss the minutiae of DSD than focus on the fact maternal deaths are increasing, or that rape is decriminalised, or that women and children are increasingly living in poverty. Much more likely we'll put that cross where they want it if we have all been sucked into "at least the Tories know what a woman is".

Also I'd recommend watching Alan Cummings episode of "Who do you think you are?" Or reading his autobiography. You might find you are more open to his perspective.

Suggesting politicians (elected by the public) do things the public don't want to hang onto their jobs, suggests Alan doesn't have much of a grasp of how populist politicians operate.

'I've edited for readability,'

Got a link so we can see what was actually said, then?

Edited to clarify: Oh, I see, sorry, you mean the OP's article. We can all listen, in that case, so why edit?