Wtf is Alan Cummings blithering on about?

[IcakethereforeIam]

Just seems to be a stream of tripe and non sequiturs. Was he drunk? High?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12948343/Alan-Cumming-says-public-arms-Rishi-Sunak-denying-existence-trans-people.html

He's making perfect sense? Just say if you don't agree with him, doing this faux-naive thing like you don't even understand what he's saying just makes you look silly.

Perfect sense?

'Like people keep doing their jobs and also you know we do things to our face and our bodies to make a smoke screen, so you don't know how old we really are, and you know, even President Biden hasn't done that.

Not tripe?

'Why do we allow, our Prime Minister actually said that there's only male and female there's no in-between, I mean how dare he say that?

Yep certainly came across as tripe to me @IcakethereforeIam !

Why do we allow, our Prime Minister actually said that there's only male and female there's no in-between, I mean how dare he say that?

Because it’s being truthful? Rare for a politician but shouldn’t politicians be encouraged to do that a bit more often?

Unless Alan knows of some magical new third sex, in which case I think we should be told.

biologically intersex is a thing.. neither male or female but both (I know its rare.. but it does still happen)

The rest of gender is a social construct.. IMO - people who strive to be 'other' are often kicking out at the social construct as it limits them..

People with a DSD are still either male or female.

There is no magical “in between” state or third sex.

'I think that's part of it, this culture of staying young at all costs and we worship at the altar of youth, and what happens? We get people who are 82 thinking they are 35.'
What, they can't identify as 35 then, or "in the middle"?

It's a pile of waffle. There is no cohesion to the comments- at all. They go all over the place, whilst saying nothing useful at all.

Just seems to be a stream of tripe and non sequiturs.

How can you traduce tripe thus?

snackatack · Today 02:25

biologically intersex is a thing.. neither male or female but both (I know its rare.. but it does still happen)

That's a sadly common misperception, still being pushed by TEZs. DSDs (Differences of Sexual Development) affect one sex or the other, it doesn't make sufferers hybrids.

People with DSDs have asked repeatedly not to be co-opted into the Trans propaganda war, as they find it offensive and upsetting; many of them also ask people not to use the term "intersex." Lastly, people with DSDs are no more likely and possibly less likely than the population at large, to claim that they are trans.

The Tavistock stopped testing clients for DSDs years ago, because they realised that it was a complete waste of time.

It seems to be the meanderings of a very confused man. He makes no points of any substance.and clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.

And what's all this 'our prime minister' stuff? Cumming has lived in the US for years AFAIK.

This is not true and intersex is a very old fashioned and offensive term. The correct terminology is DSD and people still remain either male or female, there's no-one who is both or neither FFS.

@IcakethereforeIam I'm guessing drunk, his thinking is rather incoherent and all over the place.

He sounds like a man who hasn't given this subject an awful lot of thought!

biologically intersex is a thing.. neither male or female but both (I know its rare.. but it does still happen)

That's a sadly common misperception

Interestingly, it's two different common misperceptions simultaneously.

Logically it can't simultaneously be "neither male or female" and "both male and female". Stop and think about what you've just said and how little sense it makes, maybe?

I've seen people comment about how the inherent contradictions of the ideology give this a sort of religious "mystic" gloss that make it appealing, but I've not seen this "neither but both" form quite so blatantly before.

(There are organisms that are neither, and there are organisms that are both, but neither happens in mammals. We're mammals, in case you're a bit fuzzy on biology. And no organism is simultaneously neither and both, because that would be nonsense.)

From what I've seen, people with DSD's are getting really fucked off at their complex medical conditions being used as an unpleasant (and inaccurate) 'gotcha' by TRA's.

Hmmm. Maybe I'm not thinking deeply enough. Maybe it's neither "both" or "neither" but both "both" and "neither".

Now that's deep. Not sure what it means, but obviously pretty profound. Judith Butler, watch out...

That graphic isn’t correct. People with CAIS are not female.

You're right - I hadn't noticed that. I wonder whether it's an oversight. I included it because it's the graphic I've seen shared most by those with one of the range of DSD conditions.

He is on his own terms; the problem is that the trans ideology arguments are so weak and just don't hold water. They are not thought through by any individual espousing them. They are ready packaged as a job lot, and used to deflect from the real issues which lie underneath. The issues which affect those suffering from dysphoria; the reality of autogynephilia; and, of course, the impact on women and girls, as well as one everyone right to speak the truth of reality.

There are two sexes. This is the truth. Sex matters in some circumstances.

Which bit makes sense?

Hmm. If there was a third sex then that sex would be neither male nor female but could be a mix of both? It's a moot point because there is no third sex, but I can see a logic argument for it, depending on whether one defines sex as a kind of grab bag of sexual expressions rather than as two distinct types.

Also - the number of angels on the head of a pin - why does nobody ever consider GIANT PINS?

Intersex is not a thing. Even hermaphroditic animal species (no mammals!) have only male and female gametes; they are not inbetween.

There are, however, a lot of tiktokers who make up absolute rubbish, like claiming to be pregnant but have two penises. They also used to post a little tape measure they claimed doctors used to tell if babies had a penis or clitoris depending on length. A recent TRA on Twitter claimed to be XXY (always male) with PCOS - though they had forgotten they had claimed PCOS when they said they had XXY.

That's Schrodingergender.

99% of people with intersex conditions are still either biologically male or female. Intersex conditions of disorders of sexual development - not aberrations ( inspite of sometimes indeterminate genitalia)

NecessaryScene · Today 06:39

Now that's deep. Not sure what it means, but obviously pretty profound. Judith Butler, watch out...

It'll make perfect sense for a few hours, if you take some magic mushrooms!