Young Labour piling on Tonia Antoniazzi on Twitter

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Just for her tweeting in support of single sex spaces.

twitter.com/toniaantoniazzi/status/1740900475703111707?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

Labour's states policy is to protect single sex spaces. The equality act allows for single sex spaces. Yet they say her tweet is "transphobia"

Thats the weird thing. I've stayed on the left mostly while some of the Comrades have gone to the other extreme? Not sure if they like being ' cutting edge '. Or it's more self serving - they want to be on the winning team.

It's being reported on in the DM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12917507/Labour-MP-rights-women-hounded-accused-toxic-transphobia-female-single-sex-spaces.html

To me the comments from the Councillors sound unhinged and quite revealing. Tonia says nothing about transpeople but that's immediately what they pivot to. They clearly don't really see tw as w, otherwise what's the problem? Also, the 'most vulnerable™️' seems so tired and dated now.

Reading the Mail article makes me despair about whether the party can ever find its way to adopting a commonsense position on this. Look at this comment from Jake Swinburne, communications officer for Lincoln Constituency Labour Party (CLP): "No Labour MP should ever post such toxic bile, we have to hold ourselves to the same standards that we'd hold Tory MPs to, solidarity with our trans siblings. "

If you think that the statement "Female single sex spaces are not yours to give away" is "toxic bile", then what hope is there, realistically, of ever having a sensible discussion? You have already shown yourself to be someone who is far beyond the reach of reason or normal political discourse. And it's not just this Swinburne person - the Labour Party is full of similarly-minded lunatics.

It reminds me a little of the Labour Party in the 1980s, when the Trotskyist group Militant Tendency had a very strong influence, until Kinnock made a concerted and successful effort to get rid of them. But Starmer is, I regret to say, no Neil Kinnock.

Well I guess it means that they do realise that women are actually women.

One of the councillors piling in - Erin Hall - describes herself both as non-binary & a woman. She doesn't clarify what makes her a woman. It's not her 'gender identity' so...

Tbf, while it does seem like Starmer lacks a vision of what the LPis meant to be about, the Tories do too. Individual MPs may have a vision, or some kind of conceptualization of how a good society would work. But there's no overall sense of what either is looking to instantiate.

The only slight edge on this is maybe that the Tories will try and be pragmatic to a large degree, whereas I am never sure that Labour won't attempt some magic bean scheme.

But it seems pretty clear now that Starmer can't get ahead on this issue within the party. If he could, he'd have done it already.

I notice that Tonia's tweet has had 13,000 likes.

Contrast that with the paltry number of likes Stonewall get on any of their mad tweets, or Peter Tatchell or Paisley or Comerford or any of that mob.

It's quite clear that the majority of people, even on a platform like Twitter, are with Tonia. Yet the young Labour incels and the rest of them still imagine that they have widespread support. They're massively delusional - though I suppose that's a prerequisite for the ideology.

People are getting fed up of humouring fools.

while it does seem like Starmer lacks a vision of what the LPis meant to be about, the Tories do too. Individual MPs may have a vision, or some kind of conceptualization of how a good society would work. But there's no overall sense of what either is looking to instantiate.

This.

The whole political field is a dead one, devoid of ideas, aspiration, inspiration, any kind of vision or even practical goals. I suspect this is one of the reasons the left parties have leeched on to identity politics: no thinking or anything required beyond downloading and selling the prepackaged corporate bumf.

I notice that Tonia's tweet has had 13,000 likes.

It's just had another one.

'But it seems pretty clear now that Starmer can't get ahead on this issue within the party. If he could, he'd have done it already.'

Unfortunately, I don’t think Starmer wants to get ahead of this issue. He either thinks it’s a non-issue in terms of upcoming general election success or he believes TWAW; I mean, it’s very much a luxury belief and Sir Keir Starmer is part of the establishment for whom luxury beliefs are largely a way of life these days 🤔

I think he’s handled the issue of rights conflicts arising for women and gay people from GRA and EA very poorly from the start, I don’t see much chance of improvement

Yeah, that may well be. I do suspect that he basically agrees with the basics of it all. If I were a betting lady, I'd bet he believes that he believes it's some kind of "intersex" medical condition.

But I do imagine he'd like to be able to enforce some discipline around the messaging, and he has really failed if so.

I think that'll be the years of Tory devastation on the country which has disproportionately harmed women and children.

I care deeply about this issue but no-one will persuade me that voting Tory win this single issue is more significant than the decimation of our public services.

Oh, if only more people in positions of public office admitted that AGP exists and is prevalent 🙄🤷‍♀️

That's very vague though. It just raises a lot of questions for me.

What will happen to public services in the Tories stay in? What will happen if Labour gets in?

As far as gender ideology, what will likely happen if the Tories stay in? What will happen if it's Labour?

My suspicion is that both will struggle to do much with public services. The money pots that Labour has relied on in the past - which is to say debt - aren't available. So whatever their intentions it is difficult to see how they will materialize.

In relation to this, I'd also ask about who is most likely to increase economic productivity, which will be required to fund services. Not sure I have a strong favorite there either.

As far as gender ideology, my expectation is that under the Tories we'd continue to see the slow turn away from the craziness. Under Labour, my sense is that they will pesue it, though maybe more slowly than they'd like. I'd expect to see the conversion therapy bill in short order, for example, and possibly some hate speech legislation. I'd be most concerned though about the further entrenchment of the ideology in schools and in the public service.

If that's anywhere near accurate, the better public services doesn't seem like a huge factor.

Great article on the involvement of Dawn Bowden in the row. This shows how deep the problem is:
Sports Minister Dawn Bowden ‘likes’ X posts attacking MP Tonia Antoniazzi
https://nation.cymru/news/sports-minister-dawn-bowden-likes-x-posts-attacking-mp-tonia-antoniazzi/

Bowden's failures wrt to sexism and racism in WRU are appalling too.

A well written article.