"Transphobic bullying is rife": 15 y/o trans boy's view of coming out at school

[ButterflyHatched]

A rare and refreshing example of the mainstream media actually publishing a young trans person's own words on the subject of their own existence and how the government's draft guidance is likely to affect the people it directly pertains to.

‘Transphobic bullying is rife’: a 15-year-old trans boy’s view of coming out at school | Transgender | The Guardian

The harm is caused by males believing themselves entitled to use female-only spaces.

So the problem is that other people don’t engage with you in good faith?

Quick reminder OP - the only reason you're discussed is because of your interminable posts about yourself on this and other threads. You admit to posting on here because you disapprove of women invested in safeguarding children and maintaining women's rights so you shouldn't be surprised when your motivations are challenged. Your OP was allegedly about the DfE guidelines as seen by some vulnerable young person yet your responses mainly focus on you.
You have avoided all reasonable questions about why you are so opposed to guidelines that centre safeguarding children, ensure that parents are not excluded by random adults from their children's lives and remind schools that they have legal duties in relation to children's sex that include not forcing children to undress, shower and sleep alongside the opposite sex.
You really shouldn't be surprised when women call out your incoherence and inconsistencies in the light of so many contributions that repeatedly avoid the issues raised by in your op.

Did you have anything on what the 'trans' in 'trans woman' is 'across from'?

Would it be so hard to answer my question from earlier?

I see that women rejecting male’s forced access to female single sex spaces and women defending children from safeguarding failures leading to irrevocable harm is now being akin to being recalcitrant toddlers and being ‘hostile’.

From a male who hyperbolically claims to be a victim of misogyny while hypocritically being a misogynist and displaying that misogyny on thread after thread.

It is great that lurkers get a true education on what some of them may have defended in the past and I hope will see the complete lack of engagement regarding safeguarding, female people’s needs whether that is teenager with trans identities or women and girls who need single sex spaces and a whole slew of male entitlement amongst other things.

Toddler’s eh? Well, what I learned from my own raising toddlers is that they can tell male from female and will point it out quite readily.

@ButterflyHatched Would you mind answering this question please?

@MargotBamborough good luck 🤞.
I'm still waiting for @ButterflyHatched to answer which facilitates I should use as they say we should all just use the ones where we feel most comfortable and I feel most comfortable in female only spaces.
Fortunately I'm not holding my breath.

@ButterflyHatched

You do not understand the ground floor of women's needs. You are not a woman.

It is odd. The OP complains about misgendering and then insults posters who do not comply with OP's demands.

"You really aren't coming across positively, nor painting people who share your views in a favourable light when you do this."

This is from the OP and it seems there is little self reflection or understanding how this statement applies to the OP. A real 'fly in the ointment.

All of these 'conversations' go the same way, don't they? A transwomen inserts themselves into a feminist space and tells us they're different, and if we listen to them we will suddenly understand that which we have been dealing with for the last decade.

Then they trot out all the things. All the tropes. All the stuff we've heard a thousand times before. They think they are telling us something new but it's all just the same old bollocks yet again. Every time. We try and tell them, but they don't listen to women, oh no. They always know better.

And here we are again in the same old sitch. Give it up Butterfly, you're outclassed, outgunned, making a fool of yourself, and making your 'community' look ridiculous. You do not convince, and you do not persuade. Time to learn. Let's see if you're a big enough person to do that.

I've given up on people like Helleofabore who are clearly so heavily entrenched in seething hostility to anything that a trans person says or does that it's like trying to have a conversation with an oppositional toddler who denies everything offhand

that is not why you have given up on helleofabore 😀

c’mon be honest

'Outclassed, outgunned, WE win.'

18 minutes before new year, and this is the rhetoric that flows through your mind and typed with your fingers. Reminds me of the high school bullies who seeks power through belittling others.

Sounds like a game. YOU win. Bravo. 🫡

Hope your real life is not as distasteful as how you come across here.

Happy new year.

I wouldn't worry too much, pet.

All they have lost is the argument, not the rights that no one else has and which should never have been granted because of the negative effect on other groups.

Those of us with the winning arguments are just being blocked by Labour MPs on Twitter.

Hope your sibling is doing well! Sounds like they had a lot more tests than I had when I presented to GIDS nearly a quarter of a century ago. I've never had a brain scan and only had some very basic blood tests to ensure it was safe to be placed on Blockers at the time.

I can't tell whether you are misgendering them or not. Hopefully not as that doesn't sound like a good foundation for a positive family relationship.

Do you talk much? Have you disclosed your ideological stance toward trans people? Was their transition the catalyst for you developing these views, or did you only develop them later - and if so, how do they feel about how you've changed and how that changes the dynamic of your relationship?

Please stop scolding people for "misgendering". We are allowed to not believe trans women are women, and allowed to not pretend to believe.

The absolute gall of you telling someone off for how they refer to their own sibling. It takes breathtaking levels of entitlement to think that’s an ok thing to do.

Why don’t you answer the repeated questions you have been asked before you start grilling other people with your own set of questions?

Incredible! You heard it here first, folks - apparently I'm a Young Adult novel protagonist. Or pretending to be one. Or something. Because the idea of a happy young transitioner with an associated genetic condition is apparently impossible to accept.

It really seems to upset you that this young transitioner a. Exists b. Went on to have a happy and successful life and c. Is now able and willing to take the time to provide a long-term retrospective that dismantles the 'blockers are harmful, only lead to bad outcomes and should be banned' pack of lies.

You'd better get used to it. More and more of us around the world gain access to treatment every year. While the culture war has tried to put the genie back in the bottle in the UK, it has only succeeded in delaying the inevitable (cruelly tormenting another generation of trans kids in the process). The UN-linked WHO's stance is clear and it won't be possible to ban us long-term, no matter how many contortions are made to make the findings of the Cass report appear to support the front page of the Daily Mail.

I will wear your disbelief with pride. "Too happy to be real." What a testament!

You are partially right, though - I did get very lucky. Many don't have the chances I did, and transphobic bullying is still an unfortunate reality for most transitioners at school.

There is so much we can do to help young trans people and protect them from the horrifying attitudes of people like Boy Y - Brianna Ghey's murderer - and others who want to ban them from public life and block them from accessing treatment.

The boy from the article I linked is not alone and he is not lying. I know so many young people who are staring down the barrels of the full force of the culture war and they are absolutely terrified. I had hoped, decades ago, that we'd have made it by now - but there is still so far to go.

Here's to hoping for a future where the idea of a happy young transitioner isn't met with spluttering disbelief.

ButterflyHatched

Why are you bringing in Brianna Ghey?
Yes she was a trans girl that was murdered but she wasn't murdered because she was trans.
Or are you going to try a distastefully rewrite that history?

Just when you think new depths can’t be plumbed…

"You really aren't coming across positively, nor painting people who share your views in a favourable light when you do this."

This could be one of Hatch’s classics.

I thought it would be hard to beat describing a human sex category as “ a constellation of statistically linked attributes - including genotype - that together match a pattern we identify as sex”, however, the complete hypocrisy of the above makes it right up there.

I always wonder whether these male trans people ever really think about the trans people they harm when they behave as this poster does. When they show just how disconnected their thinking is and how performative it all is (including their understanding of the very concepts they put forward as their expertise).

"You really aren't coming across positively, nor painting people who share your views in a favourable light when you do this."

What the fuck goes through someone’s head when they post this after the posting history that this poster has? Unless it is to deliver us all a huge laugh. Sadly, this was not meant to be the height of humour. It was meant to be an insult.

It is a classic case of disordered thinking. One that keeps being denied but appears very clearly in nearly every post.

Crikey. Speaking of performative.

It seems that women should not point out the behaviour of a male person who so obviously is showing the world that they have no respect at all for female people and their needs. All while claiming to be so much like those female people that this individual has claimed the word ‘woman’ for themselves. And feminist too.

But we should particularly not do so at a particular time because that makes us even more mean, more nasty, more of a ‘bully’, because it is a certain time of year. Fuck. That is awesome to see.

Wims!! Give up pointing out the harm being done by a male individual within an hour of the year changing. Because you are gonna harsh out someone’s good time telling them ‘no, you don’t get to access female single sex spaces because you deny material reality’. Let it go wims! Just let that male person feel special as the clock ticks over ! Don’t put the harsh on their good time!

By the way soggy, since you have time to scold, have you come up with the details of that compromise solution and how that will ensure female people using those single sex spaces will be kept safe?

Or are you going to again tell us that the compromise is possible and that women are just extremists for saying they need single sex spaces to remain single sex? Does that superficial and completely empty platitude really make you feel good?

The boy from the article I linked is not alone and he is not lying. I know so many young people who are staring down the barrels of the full force of the culture war and they are absolutely terrified. I had hoped, decades ago, that we'd have made it by now - but there is still so far to go.

So back to the guidelines. Say a school ignores them as you want them to. What is your proposal, @ButterflyHatched , to parents and children who don't want their female children to use changing rooms, play sports and share bedrooms on residential trips with those of the opposite sex? How should the school handle say a request for a single sex room? A request for not making PE mixed sex for safety reasons?

What should a school do if a child doesn't use the preferred pronouns the other child wants them to because of whatever reason? Detention? Suspension?

Readers, do you see it now?

The lack of consistency that we have been pointing out in this poster’s contributions? We have tried in the past to recommend further mental health support, but that has been rejected. Instead, what is consistent is this cycling between victimhood and bragging depending on the mood or maybe the time of night (?).

There is so much disconnected thinking here in this one thread, this one post even, yet, this is a person who is actively advising vulnerable people. And who is bragging about the WHO allowing people like this to continue unfettered.

Once you see it, you cannot unsee it.

Once you see it, ask yourself the next question. Who exactly benefits from allowing this male individual to advise young people who have trans identities? Particularly young female people.

Not just the obvious people, but all those who benefit from allowing people with so many red flags around safeguarding, access to influence young people
and children?

It is a gift isn’t it?