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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Would you vote Conservative if they said they will repeal the GRC?

250 replies

BlessedKali · 06/12/2023 19:06

I'm wondering, even if you are a staunch lefty..... would revoking the GRC persuade you to vote conservatives?

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EasternStandard · 08/12/2023 10:36

newnamethanks · 08/12/2023 10:31

13 years of Conservative government. Please remind me how the current situation has arisen, under which government, and why any sane person would recommend more of the same? So no. They lie. And lie. And lie. And apparently its all due to Labour? Really?

The GRA was the start so pretty much

It’s a hideous law which we’re stuck with

Best we can do is use biological sex definition

SiobhanSharpe · 08/12/2023 10:41

Yes. This is fundamental for me. The current situation on women's rights and safety is bad enough, I dread to think what it will be like under Labour, or even worse, a Lib/Lab coalition.
I'm a woman, an adult human female, nothing more, nothing less. Other definitions can fuck off.

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/12/2023 10:42

Absolutely not

biter · 08/12/2023 10:48

No. It's an important issue but the many many many other serious issues that need urgently addressing means that on balance I'd vote anyway to get the Tories out.

A very recent experience of the NHS was actually quite frightening with its ludicrous understaffing putting basic care at risk.

Education is a total shit show

The economy is a mess.

Social care and mental health services are beyond crisis

Housing policy is non existent

We need immigration to fill the thousands of skilled job vacancies -esp in medicine and they are actively blocking and making migration nigh on impossible

So , even if every Labour candidate spot's ridiculous trans shit I'd still vote for them and then campaign hard afterwards to get them to change minds and policy

Peterpieper · 08/12/2023 10:52

It’s possible to deal with more than one issue at the same time. How about labour adding women’s rights and safe guarding to that list. And women’s rights are not less important than the economy or anything else

HagoftheNorth · 08/12/2023 10:56

Review of self-I’d in Germany proposes that 14 year olds be allowed to change their sex marker, start medical transition, and their parents will be subject to court action if they withhold “consent”.

I’m not impressed by our current government, but I’m not convinced we would be in a better position than Germany if we’d had a Labour government for the last 13 years. This is a more realistic comparator

PomegranateOfPersephone · 08/12/2023 10:56

What are Labour going to do to improve our lives?

They don’t seem to have any seriously left wing economic policies to entice me.

Tell me they are going to renationalise public services, utilities, children’s social care, adult social care, prisons, public transport and get the private sector out of the NHS and education and I would be tempted. As it is what are the going to do which is significantly different from what the Conservatives are doing economically?

So where is the difference? The Conservatives seem not to do identity politics or cancel culture.

I say all this, if I have the chance I will vote for Standing for Women or the SDP, I wish I could vote for the Green Party but they have turned into the MRA Party and I doubt I will bring myself to vote Conservative, as I said before it makes no difference what I do, the Conservatives usually win around 70% of the vote in my constituency.

LlynTegid · 08/12/2023 11:03

Not a chance. The GRC is not the main issue, as there are very few instances where it is needed to access services. Or take part in some competitive sports, or access a women's changing room.

JaninaDuszejko · 08/12/2023 13:22

The GRC is not the issue, it's the Equality Act that needs to be clearer on the distinction between sex and gender reassignment and the areas where rights clash. There needs to start being HSE prosecutions of organisations that have removed single sex spaces where they are required for safety and dignity reasons and there needs to be reform of the GRC to increase the lowest age that people can access cross sex hormones and cosmetic surgery.

TheHereticalOne · 08/12/2023 13:24

agent765 · 07/12/2023 13:02

Every single time I see a politician slating another party's policies and saying they would do better I find myself shouting at the screen HOW.

HOW would they do better?

TELL me EXACTLY what you would do to change the policies you're slagging off.

STOP criticising other parties until you can provide a WORKING alternative.

I've been a lifelong Labour supporter and was brought up by lifelong Labour-supporting parents and grandparents. No more blind voting for me!

Politics has evolved. People voting for a particular politician's charisma are wasting their vote. People refusing to accept any other party than the one they've always voted for are wasting their vote.

What the hell happened to common sense? On the coldest day of the winter so far I spoke to a vocal Green supporter who told me that oil and gas are killing this country and we have to stop using them NOW. I asked him HOW are we heat our homes if we stopped fossil fuels tomorrow. HOW will lorries transport food around the country if diesel is banned tomorrow?

I want to vote for a forward-thinking party that plans for the worst and implements them. I also want to vote for a party that cares about women.

Many of us have been treated disgracefully by men whether we know it or not (Wales Labour is laughably currently "working through" their plan for gynaelogical care for women).

It's not just gynecological though, is it? It's everything from drugs to heart attacks to VAWG. It's recognising that we are different from men.

We're half the population and it's the half that's treated shoddily from pay to domestic chores to attitudes from men everywhere we encounter them from walking past building sites to using changing rooms to lying on operating tables.

I WANT a party that cares or at least pretends to. Revoking the GRC (or at least shining a light on it) is a start.

Supporting our farmers to help us supply our food chain without relying on other countries and supply chains and, until a WORKING solution is found to heat and light our homes and businesses, having our oil fields producing for the UK is also a voting priority for me.

Our reliance on products from other countries was brought to the fore by the Pandemic, Brexit, and even the Ever Given incident but we don't seem to have learned much or put policies in place. Not to mention the dire lack of skilled people working here.

I want solutions, not pie-in-the-sky ideologies. I want women to be seen as equal to but retain our differences from men.

Oh, and as a bi-sexual woman, I'd also like to see the T+ separated from the LGB but I don't think that's ever going to pop up in a political manifesto even if politicians realised how important it is and how it would help clarify the trans debate.

Edited

I have to ask what the 'Ever Given Incident' is that is not Covid or Brexit? I'm drawing a blank and feeling very stupid!

Kiwano · 08/12/2023 13:36

Peterpieper · 08/12/2023 10:35

We’re in a hole that Labour started digging. Are Labour going to get us out of it?

Labour are not responsible for the horrendous mess our economy is in, nor for numerous other anti-feminist measures that this government has taken. Just look at the dire state of maternity services, for one.

Basically, the Tories dug the hole and made it infinitely deeper. Why would we trust them to get us out of it?

PomegranateOfPersephone · 08/12/2023 13:55

Basically, the Tories dug the hole and made it infinitely deeper. Why would we trust them to get us out of it?

First of all Labour dug the hole, Labour brought in the GRA, unworkable law based on fiction and dependent upon only 5000 people ever wanting to use it. This law never took the needs of women and girls into account.

Labour also dug the hole for the public sector with PFIs, public-private partnerships.

So I don’t trust Labour either. At least Conservative MPs can publicly speak the truth about why sex matters without being pilloried by their own party.

Slugslasher · 08/12/2023 13:57

Yes.

anniegun · 08/12/2023 13:57

No - they are the worst government of my lifetime and their failure on everything else trumps any single issue

missinglalaland · 08/12/2023 14:13

Yes

Kiwano · 08/12/2023 14:37

PomegranateOfPersephone · 08/12/2023 13:55

Basically, the Tories dug the hole and made it infinitely deeper. Why would we trust them to get us out of it?

First of all Labour dug the hole, Labour brought in the GRA, unworkable law based on fiction and dependent upon only 5000 people ever wanting to use it. This law never took the needs of women and girls into account.

Labour also dug the hole for the public sector with PFIs, public-private partnerships.

So I don’t trust Labour either. At least Conservative MPs can publicly speak the truth about why sex matters without being pilloried by their own party.

So what exactly do you claim has prevented the Conservatives from repealing the GRA over the last 13.5 years? Are you really happy with their record and stated intentions on maternity rights, terminations, employment rights, care, equality etc? Why?

Labour left the economy in a relatively healthy state. It is the Conservatives who trashed it through Brexit, Trussonomics, failure to stop tax evasion, and long-standing utter incompetence.

Beveren · 08/12/2023 14:38

Certainly not. I made the mistake of believing the Conservatives at the last election. Never again.

Schoolrunmumbun · 08/12/2023 14:48

No because I wouldn't want to fuck everything else for one thing. Even something as huge as this.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 08/12/2023 14:58

TheHereticalOne · 08/12/2023 13:24

I have to ask what the 'Ever Given Incident' is that is not Covid or Brexit? I'm drawing a blank and feeling very stupid!

The Ever Given is an extremely large container ship. It got stuck lengthways in the Suez Canal for days, holding up all the shipping behind it, along with everything those boats were carrying. Including something I'd ordered internationally, as a matter of fact.

TheHereticalOne · 08/12/2023 15:45

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 08/12/2023 14:58

The Ever Given is an extremely large container ship. It got stuck lengthways in the Suez Canal for days, holding up all the shipping behind it, along with everything those boats were carrying. Including something I'd ordered internationally, as a matter of fact.

Aha! I did not know that was the name of the ship and I thought you were making a cryptic reference to an incident that was consistently blamed for the world's ills ('ever given' as an excuse!)

Thanks!

SaffronSpice · 08/12/2023 16:10

Labour left the economy in a relatively healthy state.

You mean if you ignore the deepest and longest recession since the Second World War?

bemorelemmy · 08/12/2023 16:23

yes

EasternStandard · 08/12/2023 16:24

SaffronSpice · 08/12/2023 16:10

Labour left the economy in a relatively healthy state.

You mean if you ignore the deepest and longest recession since the Second World War?

I think people are forgetting the deep recession, for some reason

TempestTost · 08/12/2023 17:49

The last two Labour governments aren't all that inspiring in terms of the economy. I'm surprised people think they were. Both had a lot to do with the subsequent Conservative win.

I wouldn't blame Blair for the world economic situation, but he did bring in the PFI system as mentioned above. A lot of the lack of funds in the NHS now is down to that, we are now paying for the wonderful improvements the Blair government made decades ago. He just kicked the can down the road. It's good to remember that when complaining about the current state of services.

And Thatcher got in after Labour fucked the economy so badly they had to get a loan from the World Bank, as if the UK were some third world developing nation. Yes, they made some great strides in communities etc but again, paid for by the scarcity under Thatcher who in many ways was tied down by the demands the WB makes of those it gives loans to.

I don't really think Starmer would go that route, I like to think they learned their lesson (maybe I am foolish in that.) But it means that the avenues open for Labour to do more with about the same amount of money are pretty limited.

HelenaTranscart · 08/12/2023 18:41

Vote for them? I'd join the bleedin' party!

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