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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Would you vote Conservative if they said they will repeal the GRC?

250 replies

BlessedKali · 06/12/2023 19:06

I'm wondering, even if you are a staunch lefty..... would revoking the GRC persuade you to vote conservatives?

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schooloflostsocks · 07/12/2023 07:53

No. They are liars anyway and only exploiting this issue for their own gain. They’ve never cared about women. Women in general face worse problems as a result of underfunded public services than they do from GRC

Darhon · 07/12/2023 07:56

BlessedKali · 06/12/2023 19:12

As a labour supporter my whole life, I DEFINITELY would. In fact I will be voting for them, based on their defence of sex reality. I think they are more impervious to ideology. I have come to think an ideologically vulnerable government is FAR more dangerous that one who is not too socialist.

Well depends which ideology you’re picking to say they are ‘impervious to ideology’! I won’t be voting for them. On balance their
economic policies have been disastrous for women and children.

DreamItDoIt · 07/12/2023 08:22

They wont repeal the GRC it would be too difficult. What they need to do and have started to do is to clarify and strengthen rights around sex. We need to reach a point where having a GRC is literally just a piece of paper for that person but does impact others especially women.

KBs speach yesterday and the support she received was fantastic but we need action and changes,and quickly. One thing is for sure, if Labour get in womens rights will be further eroded/trampled all over. The current situation with safeguarding children will be out of the window.

Much as I think the Tories are a disgrace if they make big changes I will consider voting for them otherwise I will not be voting.

IMO Labour are a danger to women and girls as well as school children.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 07/12/2023 08:37

No

catduckgoose · 07/12/2023 10:38

Why is there this persistent false idea that the Tories will repeal the GRA? It is just pure fantasy.

They've said nothing about doing this, done nothing towards this, and were a hair's breadth away from introducing gender self-id just a few years ago.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 07/12/2023 11:01

Whenever I do that quiz to find out where I stand politically (the one where the results are divided into 4 squares with authoritarian/libertarian across the top and two other squares with left/right across the bottom) I have always come out slightly further to the left and slightly more libertarian than Caroline Lucas the green MP.

I'm 66 and have voted for the left all my life. Until the last elections when I reluctantly spoiled my ballot rather than vote for any of the parties.

If the Conservatives make repealing the GRA their top priority in their election promises I will vote for them, because the left has betrayed women and girls completely and their behaviour since October 7th has filled me with disgust and rage.

ZeldaFighter · 07/12/2023 11:36

No.
I will never vote Tory.
In 1985, I watched on Look North the soup kitchens set up to feed the starving children of Selby. I couldn't understand why the government was deliberately allowing children to starve. I will never vote for a party that thinks so little of its nation's children.
Add to that, the wholesale destruction of our economy, NHS, environment, education system, national and local public services, international standing, etc
Get in the bin and stay there

MatineeLaughs · 07/12/2023 11:37

No.

I will never vote Conservative.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 07/12/2023 11:41

apples24 · 07/12/2023 07:52

UK Tory party for Westminster elections - No way.

Scottish Tories for Holyrood - Yes, my local Tory MSP is very good and overall the Scottish party is also more moderate and sensible.

"Moderate and sensible" is not how I'd describe a party whose leader was adamant the Scottish Government should be wholeheartedly following Liz Truss's economic lead.

GreigeO · 07/12/2023 11:51

Yes

Kendodd · 07/12/2023 12:06

Can I point out to all the absolute single issue ONLY thing that matters posters. This position would have you voting for Putin, he knows what a woman is without any ambiguity.

YouJustDoYou · 07/12/2023 12:09

Yes. Labour would be absolutely disatrous for female safety.

lifeturnsonadime · 07/12/2023 12:15

Kendodd · 07/12/2023 12:06

Can I point out to all the absolute single issue ONLY thing that matters posters. This position would have you voting for Putin, he knows what a woman is without any ambiguity.

Well what a ridiculous thing to point out?

Putin, like most humans, knows that humans can't change sex.

I actually think that the leader of the opposition knows this too, but for some reason he doesn't think that women's rights matter as much as the wishes of a subset of males to trample over those rights.

It's not the fault of women that the leader of the opposition has decided to back a misogynistic anti woman lobby group rather than 51% of the population.

Women's rights are not, no matter how you try to spin it, a right wing agenda.

lechiffre55 · 07/12/2023 12:23

Yes

EasternStandard · 07/12/2023 12:24

lifeturnsonadime · 07/12/2023 12:15

Well what a ridiculous thing to point out?

Putin, like most humans, knows that humans can't change sex.

I actually think that the leader of the opposition knows this too, but for some reason he doesn't think that women's rights matter as much as the wishes of a subset of males to trample over those rights.

It's not the fault of women that the leader of the opposition has decided to back a misogynistic anti woman lobby group rather than 51% of the population.

Women's rights are not, no matter how you try to spin it, a right wing agenda.

Edited

Yes. Some strange attempts at getting women to stop considering own rights

RedHelenB · 07/12/2023 12:31

BlessedKali · 06/12/2023 19:06

I'm wondering, even if you are a staunch lefty..... would revoking the GRC persuade you to vote conservatives?

No because they can't be trusted. All this has happened while they're in government.

lechiffre55 · 07/12/2023 12:34

If the Tories and Labour stood equally on women's rights and not mutilating proto gay kids with co morbidities I would not vote Tory based on thier performance.
The two parties don't stand equally. It took Starmer a few years to work out what a woman is, and I doubt he'd do any better now on the who has a cervix question than last time. Labour currently on the banning "conversion therapy" otherwise known as helping young people with their mental challenges proves to me whatever lip service Labour pays to reality is just lip service, they really fundamentally still don't understand how damaging their stance on this is.
I have no choice but to vote Tory to try to prevent the mutilation of kids and the criminalization of anyone who tries to help those kids. I need to be able to sleep at night.
Maybe in a few years when all this is over I'll be able to vote Labour again, but definitely not now. The Tories, even steeped in all their shite are the least dangerous option in my opinion.

FatFatMary · 07/12/2023 12:56

No. The worlds gone mad but I’ll take it for better healthcare and services

FictionalCharacter · 07/12/2023 13:01

No. For one thing I wouldn't trust them to actually do it if they said they would. They'd test whether it was a vote winner, if yes they'd claim they'd do it, then when re-elected they'd find reasons not to if they thought it would be difficult.

I don't think it would solve the problems anyway. A bigger issue at the moment is that organisations of all kinds have adopted a self-ID policy, so a man can use women's facilities if he wants to, no GRC needed. So repealing the law won't fix that.

I also think that repealing it would lead to a backlash and even more ammunition to the claims of "most vulnerable and oppressed". Taking away GRCs from people who have had them for years and caused no trouble won't help with the current problems caused by "SW law" and women being arrested for putting up stickers. So while I think some issues need to be dealt with using legal means, I don't believe that repealing the GRA is wise at this time.

agent765 · 07/12/2023 13:02

Every single time I see a politician slating another party's policies and saying they would do better I find myself shouting at the screen HOW.

HOW would they do better?

TELL me EXACTLY what you would do to change the policies you're slagging off.

STOP criticising other parties until you can provide a WORKING alternative.

I've been a lifelong Labour supporter and was brought up by lifelong Labour-supporting parents and grandparents. No more blind voting for me!

Politics has evolved. People voting for a particular politician's charisma are wasting their vote. People refusing to accept any other party than the one they've always voted for are wasting their vote.

What the hell happened to common sense? On the coldest day of the winter so far I spoke to a vocal Green supporter who told me that oil and gas are killing this country and we have to stop using them NOW. I asked him HOW are we heat our homes if we stopped fossil fuels tomorrow. HOW will lorries transport food around the country if diesel is banned tomorrow?

I want to vote for a forward-thinking party that plans for the worst and implements them. I also want to vote for a party that cares about women.

Many of us have been treated disgracefully by men whether we know it or not (Wales Labour is laughably currently "working through" their plan for gynaelogical care for women).

It's not just gynecological though, is it? It's everything from drugs to heart attacks to VAWG. It's recognising that we are different from men.

We're half the population and it's the half that's treated shoddily from pay to domestic chores to attitudes from men everywhere we encounter them from walking past building sites to using changing rooms to lying on operating tables.

I WANT a party that cares or at least pretends to. Revoking the GRC (or at least shining a light on it) is a start.

Supporting our farmers to help us supply our food chain without relying on other countries and supply chains and, until a WORKING solution is found to heat and light our homes and businesses, having our oil fields producing for the UK is also a voting priority for me.

Our reliance on products from other countries was brought to the fore by the Pandemic, Brexit, and even the Ever Given incident but we don't seem to have learned much or put policies in place. Not to mention the dire lack of skilled people working here.

I want solutions, not pie-in-the-sky ideologies. I want women to be seen as equal to but retain our differences from men.

Oh, and as a bi-sexual woman, I'd also like to see the T+ separated from the LGB but I don't think that's ever going to pop up in a political manifesto even if politicians realised how important it is and how it would help clarify the trans debate.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2023 13:21

For Single Issue voters, there are only 2 parties on offer: SDP and Reform UK.

TempestTost · 07/12/2023 22:49

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 07/12/2023 11:01

Whenever I do that quiz to find out where I stand politically (the one where the results are divided into 4 squares with authoritarian/libertarian across the top and two other squares with left/right across the bottom) I have always come out slightly further to the left and slightly more libertarian than Caroline Lucas the green MP.

I'm 66 and have voted for the left all my life. Until the last elections when I reluctantly spoiled my ballot rather than vote for any of the parties.

If the Conservatives make repealing the GRA their top priority in their election promises I will vote for them, because the left has betrayed women and girls completely and their behaviour since October 7th has filled me with disgust and rage.

There are some pretty significant criticisms that that particular test tends to make a lot of people much more left than is really accurate. It's worth looking at some others, if only to see how they do it differently.

Twyford · 08/12/2023 09:19

Why would anyone believe the Conservatives if they said this? They've had nearly 14 years to sort it out, after all. Why would anything change?

newnamethanks · 08/12/2023 10:31

13 years of Conservative government. Please remind me how the current situation has arisen, under which government, and why any sane person would recommend more of the same? So no. They lie. And lie. And lie. And apparently its all due to Labour? Really?

Peterpieper · 08/12/2023 10:35

We’re in a hole that Labour started digging. Are Labour going to get us out of it?