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LadyBevvy · 07/12/2023 12:13

Chris Bryant, who cheated the taxpayer out of £92,000 in false expenses and sat idly by whilst his election agent amassed 'the most serious child pronography I have ever seen' in the words of the Judge who sent him down, should lay off the overly emotive performative hysteria.

I have never understood why an extremely posh bloke educated at Cheltenham and Oxford has any understanding of or ability to represent the Rhondda anyway.

Floisme · 07/12/2023 13:42

I'm not as bothered by what Chris Bryant said - there are idiot backbenchers on all sides of the house. It's the abject performance from Dodds, who could well be the next Minister for Women and Equalities, that really alarms me.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/12/2023 13:50

Floisme · 07/12/2023 13:42

I'm not as bothered by what Chris Bryant said - there are idiot backbenchers on all sides of the house. It's the abject performance from Dodds, who could well be the next Minister for Women and Equalities, that really alarms me.

Indeed. Given that she was given Kemi's speech in advance, her irrelevant ramblings showed that she hasn't a clue

Froodwithatowel · 07/12/2023 13:56

LadyBevvy · 07/12/2023 12:13

Chris Bryant, who cheated the taxpayer out of £92,000 in false expenses and sat idly by whilst his election agent amassed 'the most serious child pronography I have ever seen' in the words of the Judge who sent him down, should lay off the overly emotive performative hysteria.

I have never understood why an extremely posh bloke educated at Cheltenham and Oxford has any understanding of or ability to represent the Rhondda anyway.

Quite.

I'm fairly sure it's possible to find any number of better candidates from the residents of the valleys with the emotional resilience skills to cope with doing their job and listening to information they don't particularly like. Historically the Rhondda people aren't much given to fainting couches and demanding safe spaces and counselling whenever the going gets rough for them.

I'll wait now for Sunak to pull the 'we cant talk about tax/poverty/immigration/anything tricky on PMQs, cos it makes me feel unsafe' line.

OldCrone · 07/12/2023 14:07

LadyBevvy · 07/12/2023 12:13

Chris Bryant, who cheated the taxpayer out of £92,000 in false expenses and sat idly by whilst his election agent amassed 'the most serious child pronography I have ever seen' in the words of the Judge who sent him down, should lay off the overly emotive performative hysteria.

I have never understood why an extremely posh bloke educated at Cheltenham and Oxford has any understanding of or ability to represent the Rhondda anyway.

He describes how he got selected in this Guardian article from 2010.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/18/chris-bryant-gay-mp-civil-partnership

It's fascinating that the Rhondda chose Bryant – gay, a former Anglican priest, and someone who had dallied with the Conservatives as a student – in the first place. Had he been surprised to be picked to fight the 2001 election? "I fell off the chair," he says, "and my opponents [for the nomination] certainly did. I had promised my then partner that I wouldn't get selected, but I did. He was very worried that I'd disappear into politics and he'd never see me again, and becoming an MP didn't do much for that relationship."

Fifty-two people applied for the candidature and a local councillor was hot favourite to win, but Bryant says hard work and knocking on the doors of every one of the constituency's 700 Labour members produced the unlikeliest of upsets. "Eight of us were put on the shortlist and there was a hustings. I did my 'I am what I am' moment, and got a standing ovation. I thought it was better to get selected on an honest basis."

Seems quite an odd tale. He promised his partner that he wouldn't get selected, then put in the hard work of knocking on the doors of all the local Labour members to make sure he did.

Chris Bryant: 'I don't think of myself as a gay MP'

Labour MP Chris Bryant was caught posing in his pants on the Gaydar dating website seven years ago, but now his career is thriving. And he is about to get married in the first civil partnership ceremony in the Houses of Parliament

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/mar/18/chris-bryant-gay-mp-civil-partnership

ArthurbellaScott · 07/12/2023 14:25

Floisme · 07/12/2023 13:42

I'm not as bothered by what Chris Bryant said - there are idiot backbenchers on all sides of the house. It's the abject performance from Dodds, who could well be the next Minister for Women and Equalities, that really alarms me.

This is a very good point.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 07/12/2023 15:28

Anneliese Dodds is someone who looks promising on paper, but is spectacularly mediocre in everything political she does.

Trying to scupper safeguarding policies on technicalities isnt something Labour is keen on, surely?

Floisme · 07/12/2023 15:38

And yet as things stand, Dodds would, I assume, have oversight of 'modernising' the Gender Recognition Act?

I'm still weighing up whether or not to vote Labour but quite honestly it would have been better for them yesterday if she'd not spoken at all.

WarriorN · 07/12/2023 15:39

Dodds points were so badly made and weak that I can't help thinking that she either agreed to be daft for the sake of the debate in some sort of deal or was deliberately whipped to do that task so she could be scape goated by the Labour Party.

maybe she did agree with the rest of Kemi's position around children and safeguarding, sex v gender, as she chose to only focus on pulling apart the list thing rather than the rest.

WarriorN · 07/12/2023 15:42

It was notable that a number of key labour people were just not present.

And those that were all simply made a fuss about the list not being published.

Chersfrozenface · 07/12/2023 15:47

maybe she did agree with the rest of Kemi's position around children and safeguarding, sex v gender, as she chose to only focus on pulling apart the list thing rather than the rest

Surely her silence on children and safeguarding, sex v gender, is because they are among The Things Labour Doesn't Want To Talk About, and which they would very much like nobody else to talk about either.

I doubt it signified agreement

WarriorN · 07/12/2023 16:13

It certainly signified "we have no evidence to the contrary" as Kemi gave it both barrels!

duc748 · 07/12/2023 16:31

The Things Labour Doesn't Want To Talk About

Absolutely this. Do they really think that's a satisfactory strategy going into the next election? Do they think voters can be fobbed off so easily?

EasternStandard · 07/12/2023 16:54

duc748 · 07/12/2023 16:31

The Things Labour Doesn't Want To Talk About

Absolutely this. Do they really think that's a satisfactory strategy going into the next election? Do they think voters can be fobbed off so easily?

Sadly it seems to be the case. Just looking at posts on here

I’d love people to ask some actual questions and demand answers though

AutumnCrow · 07/12/2023 17:05

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 07/12/2023 15:28

Anneliese Dodds is someone who looks promising on paper, but is spectacularly mediocre in everything political she does.

Trying to scupper safeguarding policies on technicalities isnt something Labour is keen on, surely?

When I last spoke to my Labour MP about women's rights and children's safeguarding, one of the things he stressed was to 'look out for what Anneliese Dodds is going to say soon'. Well I did, and she has, and it's crap.

Floisme · 07/12/2023 17:13

I cannot believe that a politician who (I assume) has ambitions for a future Cabinet post would agree to either look daft or make herself a scapegoat I find it far more plausible that Dodd's snide, petulant and poorly briefed response was down to laziness and arrogance. But it's not being properly prepared that I find hardest to overlook.

Peterpieper · 07/12/2023 19:12

It’s like the court cases, under scrutiny where facts are discussed the actual repercussions of gender ideology become apparent, rapists in women’s jails, children on a medical pathway.
It all falls apart when you aren’t allowed to weaponise your trauma, shout bigot and no debate

Froodwithatowel · 07/12/2023 19:47

duc748 · 07/12/2023 16:31

The Things Labour Doesn't Want To Talk About

Absolutely this. Do they really think that's a satisfactory strategy going into the next election? Do they think voters can be fobbed off so easily?

Doesn't it say a huge amount about how politicians view the people they claim to be in power to represent? And the respect that they have for them? They can't even be buggered to go properly prepared or check the facts of what they say.
Sigh. And its a cross-party issue.

nauticant · 07/12/2023 20:01

It was notable that a number of key labour people were just not present.

IIRC, the Deputy Speaker made clear that she would only accept contributions in the chamber from those who had been present from the start of the debate. This made me wonder if some kind of bat signal had gone up.

nauticant · 07/12/2023 20:02

Damn, I missed the obvious batshit signal.

ResisterRex · 07/12/2023 20:25

They weren't just ill-informed, in the chamber. But outside it, too:

x.com/sarahchampionmp/status/1732410572778688935?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

BettyFilous · 07/12/2023 20:27

AutumnCrow · 07/12/2023 17:05

When I last spoke to my Labour MP about women's rights and children's safeguarding, one of the things he stressed was to 'look out for what Anneliese Dodds is going to say soon'. Well I did, and she has, and it's crap.

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Did you feed this assessment back to him? He needs to know.

AutumnCrow · 07/12/2023 20:47

BettyFilous · 07/12/2023 20:27

Did you feed this assessment back to him? He needs to know.

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It'll be in his Xmas card.

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