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IwantToRetire · 06/12/2023 18:10

This is what I am doing for young LGBT children: I am making sure that they do not find themselves being sterilised because they are being exploited by people who do not understand what these issues are. I am saying this on the advice of clinicians and academics, because clinicians from the Tavistock clinic have been whistleblowing, talking about what these issues are. The hon. Gentleman says that he is traumatised; we are traumatised by what is happening to young children, and we will run away from this issue no longer.

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duc748 · 06/12/2023 18:12

Surely the reform the GRA really needs is killing it stone dead, along with its bloody certificates. That seems completely unfeasible now, though, unfortunately.

EasternStandard · 06/12/2023 18:14

duc748 · 06/12/2023 18:12

Surely the reform the GRA really needs is killing it stone dead, along with its bloody certificates. That seems completely unfeasible now, though, unfortunately.

I can’t believe how much they fucked up with this law

We’re stuck in an increasing mess where men override women due to it

GailBlancheViola · 06/12/2023 18:21

EasternStandard · 06/12/2023 18:14

I can’t believe how much they fucked up with this law

We’re stuck in an increasing mess where men override women due to it

Agree with both of you the GRA is an absolute fucking shit show of a Law, sexist, misogynist, homophobic.

Warning bells were sounded loud and clear about what the potential consequences of enacting it would be but were ignored.

It needs to be consigned to the bin but as it appears it won't be we need Legislation that over-rides it and makes it toothless and irrelevant.

Signalbox · 06/12/2023 18:31

I will tell him what chilled me. In May 2021, against official advice I stress that officials said, “You should not have this meeting”

I’m intrigued who it is that would be advising KB against meeting with the likes of Keira Bell and why?

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Froodwithatowel · 06/12/2023 18:42

It strikes me today for the first time, hearing two ministers speak out against people trying to tell them shhh, no, be kind, don't mention it, sit down....just how frightened the government of all parties is on this matter.

It is a huge relief to hear both of them today talk straight out with the facts we've been discussing here for years- against anger and people trying hard to make us stop, to scare us and bully us into silence, to call concern 'hate' and questions too traumatising and upsetting to be tolerated.

I live in hope of parties starting to split. Let's have some parties arise with actual guts to stand up to what is wrong, to political capture, to silencing people with nonsense about 'it's too upsetting and unkind to some talk about this reality and harm to others' which values some people and not others. Which sees some people as mere cannon fodder for other more special people. A mess which is never going to end well for anyone. Lets separate the witterers from those actually prepared to protect everyone's interests and find ways that work for all.

And if permitting solutions to work too for women and children is too 'traumatic' for the political trans lobby to cope with, then that's sad, but tough, and the lobby will just have to be traumatised and learn to cope with other people having rights too.

SwordToFlamethrower · 06/12/2023 18:50

Thank you

BlessedKali · 06/12/2023 19:04

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duc748 · 06/12/2023 19:17

It's a shit piece of legislation that disadvantages a lot more people than it 'helps', which the GRA surely does.

EasternStandard · 06/12/2023 19:20

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We don’t do this with any other law

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 06/12/2023 19:28

Signalbox · 06/12/2023 17:32

I've just had a look at KB's voting record on abortion.

What is it specifically about her voting record that would make you think that she doesn't have a genuine concern for women?

I assume it was about the laws about getting the abortion pill online and using it at home.

I cant think of any other law thats changed recently?

Signalbox · 06/12/2023 19:59

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 06/12/2023 19:28

I assume it was about the laws about getting the abortion pill online and using it at home.

I cant think of any other law thats changed recently?

Yes that and voting against censorship zones around abortion clinics. I was just interested in why this would lead someone to conclude that KB has no genuine concern for women.

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ArthurbellaScott · 06/12/2023 20:17

WarriorN · 06/12/2023 15:29

Rainbow Europe is made by ILGA-Europe, the European Region of the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans & Intersex Association.

ILGA. Who had NAMBLA as members for ten years, among other pro-paedophile groups, that ILGA?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/12/2023 20:35

Signalbox · 06/12/2023 18:31

I will tell him what chilled me. In May 2021, against official advice I stress that officials said, “You should not have this meeting”

I’m intrigued who it is that would be advising KB against meeting with the likes of Keira Bell and why?

Presumably some of the hopelessly trans captured civil servants

ArthurbellaScott · 06/12/2023 20:42

And if permitting solutions to work too for women and children is too 'traumatic' for the political trans lobby to cope with, then that's sad, but tough, and the lobby will just have to be traumatised and learn to cope with other people having rights too.

Hear, hear.

Kemi is fantastic. She's countering every instance of weaselly 'we feel sad' with robust examples of women and girls being impacted. Leaving the logical suggestion hanging in the air - women and girls matter, too. It's amazing to hear.

literalviolence · 06/12/2023 20:47

Froodwithatowel · 06/12/2023 17:09

Someone needs to fill the traumatised MP in on basic self care: if he is unable to cope with the situation then he needs to leave, and regulate himself, and come back as and when he is able, being responsible for himself.

It is not up to the entire UK government to nanny him by never mentioning anything he personally doesn't feel comfortable hearing. And it would call into question his capacity to do his job if he is not a bit more resilient and responsible about managing his emotions than this.

yep because if he wants to play trauma bingo he needs to be ready to hear the trauma of every single woman who's been hurt by men. that's why we want single sex spaces and if he wants no debate, let have it about that.

literalviolence · 06/12/2023 20:47

Froodwithatowel · 06/12/2023 17:09

Someone needs to fill the traumatised MP in on basic self care: if he is unable to cope with the situation then he needs to leave, and regulate himself, and come back as and when he is able, being responsible for himself.

It is not up to the entire UK government to nanny him by never mentioning anything he personally doesn't feel comfortable hearing. And it would call into question his capacity to do his job if he is not a bit more resilient and responsible about managing his emotions than this.

yep because if he wants to play trauma bingo he needs to be ready to hear the trauma of every single woman who's been hurt by men. that's why we want single sex spaces and if he wants no debate, let have it about that.

ArthurbellaScott · 06/12/2023 20:47

''To my surprise, I was advised strongly and repeatedly by civil servants in the department that it would be 'inappropriate' to speak to her. I overruled the advice. Along with other advisers across government I met Keira and listened to what she had to say. Her testimony was harrowing and brought many on the Zoom call to tears,' Mrs Badenoch wrote.
She insisted that not all civil servants are 'hostile' but went on: 'A small minority of activist officials are the tail wagging the dog, often to the dismay of their colleagues and the hand-wringing of far more senior officials.'
She accused some mandarins of being 'too scared to challenge their own staff'.

ResisterRex · 06/12/2023 20:51

Glinner...

"Imagine mouthing "you're a disgrace" to Badenoch as she's telling the story of Keira Bell."

x.com/glinner/status/1732496716031558016?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

BlessedKali · 06/12/2023 21:00

ResisterRex · 06/12/2023 20:51

Glinner...

"Imagine mouthing "you're a disgrace" to Badenoch as she's telling the story of Keira Bell."

x.com/glinner/status/1732496716031558016?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

That was shocking to watch. You can also see he doesn't believe his words. What motivates these men to want children to be caught in a pre-pubescent state / castrated. .... ?

CyberCritical · 06/12/2023 21:14

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 06/12/2023 14:45

Lol at angela eagle trying to appear confused that single sex, actual means single sex.

Its like she auditioning for panto.

Just caught up on it and this bit was funny.
' erm so could you please clarify that by single sex spaces you mean that trans men would be expected to use female toilets and trans women would be expected to use male toilets unless they had a gender recognition certificate' baffled look and small sound of confusion...

Why yes, yes we mean that males would use toilets for males and females would use toilets for females. This is not a difficult concept.

BlessedKali · 06/12/2023 21:19

These women like Dodd's & the one that wishes to 'decapitate terfs'.... are they just useful idiots? do they REALLY have no understanding of the impact on women's safety? What is actually going on for them?

Are they simply playing a part that they think will win them the election?

EasternStandard · 06/12/2023 21:19

CyberCritical · 06/12/2023 21:14

Just caught up on it and this bit was funny.
' erm so could you please clarify that by single sex spaces you mean that trans men would be expected to use female toilets and trans women would be expected to use male toilets unless they had a gender recognition certificate' baffled look and small sound of confusion...

Why yes, yes we mean that males would use toilets for males and females would use toilets for females. This is not a difficult concept.

So when Labour say they will ‘protect single sex spaces’ what do they actually mean?

Helleofabore · 06/12/2023 21:23

What do Labour mean? Isn't that what we would all like to know?