Duffield under investigation

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The article has been archived but if anyone has a share token

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-mp-rosie-duffield-under-investigation-liking-tweet-offensive-zz20fd7pw

For liking a tweet by Glinner poking fun at Izzard.

@Needmoresleep

We a bunch of women on a forum talking about a subject that is complex. We are allowed to follow lines of enquiry or interest, and I don't particularly appreciate being told that I should go away and do that elsewhere nor that I'm centering men.

Whether or not what Izzard said has any reasonable factual basis IS relevant to the investigation of Rosie. I'm as GC as you like but if Izzard's claim was factual then I wouldn't be impressed with her behaviour towards his tweet as an MP, either (although lord knows plenty of MPs, especially men, especially men in the conservative party have done far worse and nobody's blinked an eye)

I have been following this board for a long time. Almost every discussion of the Labour Party and its treatment of women is closed down or diverted.

Assuming everyone wants the next Government to be an effective one, we should be discussing their policies and their weaknesses. We should be highlighting where they could do better.

This treatment of Rosie is shocking. It is not that complex.

If we assume that it is not so much about liking a tweet, but about the fact the Party seem to want to prevent Rosie from standing, then we need to talk about the LP and Rosie, not bloody Izzard.

Not wanting to difficult, but highlighting where Labour could do better?

um.

• stop believing in alternative reality

• stop being fundamentally misogynist, racist, ableist, ageist and homophobic while blindly identifying as the evidence of this doesn't exist while looking straight at it (that's a good one. Think that'll work on global warming? Poverty? Doesn't happen, we can't see it. Don't fact shame us.)
• Stop their totalitarian, colonialist principles that underpin their entire attitude towards politics and people while at the same time lecturing endlessly on their superiority, purity and how terrible colonialism is when it's someone else doing it in another time and place

I could go on. But I think that in itself renders them fundamentally fucked. They are unsalvageable. As with a bad school, all that really works is to get rid of everyone, bin everything and start again.

Labour is unsalvageable. And the above makes them far more dangerous than the tired, corrupt, useless, purposeless mess behind the blue rosettes. And Labour are fractionally saner than the SNP, Greens and Lib Dems.

So as a voter, I'm stuck with the useless muppets.

Maybe look at the OP. What we have been discussing is relevant to cake's OP. If you want to broaden the scope of this to general Labour Party issues, then it is perhaps you who need to start your own thread.

We have tried to point out to you that Rosie's investigation and Izzard's tweet are directly intertwined. Yes, of course Rosie was targeted. However, her action has also been misrepresented. The entire investigation is about that misrepresentation that we are indeed discussing. It doesn't mean that we also cannot discuss how to help her directly. Both things are possible and are likely.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4951566-gender-criticals-how-are-you-going-to-vote-in-the-election

Here is a brand new thread discussing political parties as a whole. Perhaps this thread can be left to discuss Rosie and the investigation that Rosie faces.

Pah!! It's about as self serving as the "Trans day of rememberence" where we remember all the trans people who haven't been killed that year. As always, Fred Seargent has a good take on it https://twitter.com/FredSargeant/status/1729102507752743333

Discussing the complaint, spurious and unfair as it is, is essential.

It may seem tedious, but it's not avoidable. It's not like Rosie Duffield can just huff that it's a witch hunt and refuse to participate, is it?

I imagine she'll need to go through the process.

Perhaps what is ALSO needed is for Labour members/LWD to ask for an investigation into the complaint and targeting of Rosie.

I think it is highly unfair that Rosie has had this investigation hanging over her head for so long without resolution. I also consider this to be a ploy to support her not being on the list of candidates.

Still highly relevant because Izzard seems to be considered a high value candidate considering they have shopped Izzard around to find Izzard a candidacy. Hence, there really is an obvious power imbalance between Izzard and Rosie within the Labour Party.

Therefore there seems to be disproportionality in the way she is treated vs Izzard. This has been discussed on this thread in view of Izzard's appropriation in Izzard's tweet compared to Rosie liking Grahams factual statement in return. Again, it is all intertwined. Rosie seems to lack support in light of Izzard seeming to be such high value to the current Labour Party senior team.

My objection is that the last couple of pages seem to have been all about Izzard, and stuff about the holocaust.

It is as if people want to divert attention from the way Rosie is being treated. It is the Labour Party who have put her under investigation. It is the Labour Party who may think they will gain from being unable to stand.

There are lots of really awful things that happened to women in Nazi Germany, even so-called Aryan women. Very little is ever said about the Lebensborn programme, perhaps because some of the children born as part of the programme are still alive, albeit in their 80s.

I don't think that the tweet and the investigation are that intertwined. They were out to get Rosie, and would have pounced on the first slip up. It was becoming increasingly difficult to get her for her GC views. Labour is only too aware that their thinking is at odds with the general public. So why not anti-Semitism. Surely liking a retweet of debatable meaning is just as bad as Livingstone referring to Hamas and Hezbollah as friends?

Do you really think the investigation is about Anti-Semitism? And if so do you really think that Rosie is Labour's worst offender? Despite what the British Jewish community are saying in her defence?

We’re in an era of censorship on biological reality.

Political advocates of gender ideology are powerful and it looks like they’ll keep going until no voices based on reality are heard

It’s real indoctrination time, like that apology which sounded like a re education camp statement from the Labour councillor

Anything will be used to take our careers. See also Baroness Falkner, luckily saved - will someone do the same for Duffield in Labour as Badenoch did?

Do you really think the investigation is about Anti-Semitism? And if so do you really think that Rosie is Labour's worst offender? Despite what the British Jewish community are saying in her defence?

Of course not. But the way that internal investigations work mean that it has to be investigated, which means it has to be discussed.

We spend a lot of time countering false narratives on here. It is time consuming, it is diversionary, it is infuriating.

But that DARVO is part of the way that this ideology is pushed. Yes, it's gish-galloping. But without countering the false assertions, they continue to be used without pushback.

With any luck some of the arguments made on here may be used usefully elsewhere, too.

Also, I meant to say, fromorbit, thank you, that was genuinely interesting history that I know nothing about.

I'd be interested to hear more about the Lebensborn programme and more feminist/women's history of the period.

dothedoo · Yesterday 10:48

You should probably ask why a man who wants to remain anonymous has put that in a scandal sheet online and if he's representative of the constituency as a whole. My cousin is and she likes her.

Still highly relevant because Izzard seems to be considered a high value candidate

I really don't get it, and I think they're making a mistake.

Without a script he just sounds nuts.

sleb, innit.

I reckon that is what they are counting on Arthur.

All this destroying the careers of women (and some men) reminds me of McCarthyism

Jo Bartosch has written about it in Spiked

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/27/the-shameful-smearing-of-rosie-duffield/

And Julie Bindel in the Spectator

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/rosie-duffields-opponents-are-intent-on-destroying-her/

So given a choice between Rosie Duffield and Eddie Izzard, Labour will choose Eddie? Have they lost their senses, or their cojones?

Love the sentence; 'Duffield is no more an anti-semite than Izzard is a woman' in the article by Jo Bartosch.

But the truth- the actual truth matters not a jot to this utterly shameful Labour Party or the TRAs.

(I actually posted that para above first by mistake on a thread about Horses vs runners. Probably a seque they did not expect to go with a derail on horse shit but potentially apropos)

Keir Starmer really is a despicable coward, isn't he? He's so afraid of getting monstered by the zealots that he's thrown her to the wind, failing to understand that many people (mostly women, I assume) will be deterred from voting for Labour, because he's in thrall to a barmy ideology and too frightened to make a stand to support a popular vote winner.

We saw how he was with Bradshaw and Lloyd Mole, earlier in the year and that was an utter disgrace, he said nothing and decided not to do anything to protect Rosie Duffield.

He's beneath contempt.

I really don't get it, and I think they're making a mistake.

Without a script he just sounds nuts.

They, and Eddie, have lost the plot. High on their own supply.

Sorry meant to quote you @Datun