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OvaHere · 28/11/2023 10:04

SinnerBoy · 28/11/2023 09:09

Keir Starmer really is a despicable coward, isn't he? He's so afraid of getting monstered by the zealots that he's thrown her to the wind, failing to understand that many people (mostly women, I assume) will be deterred from voting for Labour, because he's in thrall to a barmy ideology and too frightened to make a stand to support a popular vote winner.

We saw how he was with Bradshaw and Lloyd Mole, earlier in the year and that was an utter disgrace, he said nothing and decided not to do anything to protect Rosie Duffield.

He's beneath contempt.

Starmer has decided to not fold to the far left of his party on the Israel/Palestine issue which I think he was right to do.

The trade off for that may well be that he'll throw women under the bus as crumbs of appeasement to that faction of the Labour Party.

Datun · 28/11/2023 10:16

IcakethereforeIam · 27/11/2023 23:54

For fucks sake. Five minutes ago they were coming for her opposition to anti semitism.

And she has long stood in solidarity with British Jews, a move which made her very unpopular during Jeremy Corbyn’s time as leader. In 2018, Corbynista members of Duffield’s constituency Labour Party in Canterbury even put forward a party motioncriticising her for attending a demonstration against anti-Semitism and for speaking at the Jewish Labour Movement conference.

They really don't care that everyone can see their hypocrisy, spinelessness and their misogyny, do they? I assume they believe their voters all agree with them. Nice.

Labour's Rosie Duffield considering future as MP after local party row

Exclusive: Canterbury MP says she is not anti-Corbyn, amid party furore over her attendance at rally against antisemitism

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/13/rosie-duffield-labour-anti-corbyn-mp-local-party

Signalbox · 28/11/2023 11:24

Do you really think the investigation is about Anti-Semitism? And if so do you really think that Rosie is Labour's worst offender? Despite what the British Jewish community are saying in her defence?

No. There is a significant concept creep going on here in an attempt to smear RD as anti-semetic (because they can’t get her on her GC views)

Multiple people critical of RD are talking about the Holocaust and Holocaust revisionism when referring to the transsexual and gay people who were also victims of the Nazi regime.

My understanding is that “Holocaust” is a word that specifically refers to the genocide of 6 million Jews. By extending the word Holocaust to include “trans” people they think they can get RD on anti-semitism.

It is exactly the same tactic as when they latch on to LGB or on to race issues so you end up being racist or homophobic if you are critical of trans ideology.

It’s an utterly reprehensible tactic but one they have used successfully before so why stop now.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/11/2023 11:27

They really don't care that everyone can see their hypocrisy, spinelessness and their misogyny, do they?

No, in fact I imagine it gives some of them an extra frisson.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/11/2023 11:33

Graham Linehan letter to the Labour Party

https://open.substack.com/pub/grahamlinehan/p/my-letter-to-the-labour-party?r=7vhv8&utmmedium=ios&utmm_campaign=post

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/11/2023 11:35

"I have sent the following letter to the Executive Director of Legal Affairs at the Labour Party.

Dear Alex Barros-Curtis
Introduction
I correspond regarding a report of an allegation presently being investigated by the Labour Party against Rosie Duffield MP. This was reported in the Daily Mail on 26 November 2023 in a piece entitled “Labour MP Rosie Duffield faces 'grotesque' party anti-Semitism probe and could be blocked from standing at the next election over support for trans-sceptic's Eddie Izzard tweet.” This article claims that the Ms. Duffield MP is under investigation for ‘liking’ a tweet of mine criticising Eddie Izzard. As will become clear for the context I provide in this letter, this investigation is fundamentally misconceived and the complaint appears vexatious. Insofar as the complaints process investigation implies a prima facie case to answer, I also regard it as damaging to my reputation and reserve all my rights at law and in equity.
The meaning of the tweet in question
On 21:19 PM on March 22nd 2023 I tweeted the following words:
“ Ah, yes, the Nazis, famously bigoted against straight white men with blonde hair”
This text was in response to a Sky News pierce depicting Eddie Izzard (in male attire) with the headline ““'I'm a trans superhero - but if I'd lived in Nazi Germany I'd have been murdered for it'.”

The meaning of my tweet was to satirise what I regard as a ludicrous, grandiose and offensive claim by Mr. Izzard that he, as a blond- haired, blue-eyed cross dressing heterosexual male, he might possibly be comparable to the targets of Nazi genocide or aggression. The evidence shows otherwise with cross dressing among heterosexual male Nazi officers being a matter of record. It is thus clear the target of the satire in this case is Mr. Izzard and his fantastical claim.
This tweet is in no way anti-semtitic, quite the opposite. It seeks to impliedly properly record the true targets of Nazi aggression (in the main Jews, homosexual, the Roma and many others), by pointing out that cross dressing heterosexual straight white males were not targets.
I understand it has been suggested that liking this tweet is in some way “holocaust denial”. I regard that construction as unsustainable, tenuous and offensive to the true victims of Nazi aggression and genocide.
Disciplinary action based upon this tweet
Given the above, any disciplinary action based on this tweet can only be properly described as vexatious and an abuse of process. There is nothing anti-semitic about correctly pointing out that cross dressing, heterosexual males who would have been considered “aryan” by the Nazi regime were in a position of relative safety as compared to the true victims of that evil ideology and regime.
I also consider it relevant context that Rosie Duffield MP frequently faces antagonistic factions online who seek to remove her from public life frequently calling for her to lose the Labour whip or face deselection because of her gender critical beliefs, which I share along with the majority of people in the United Kingdom. Placing this vexatious complaint in that context permits of only one conclusion: that a wholly false and malicious antisemitism allegation is being weaponised against her on the flimsiest of pretexts. This is bullying behaviour by the relevant complainants and it is an insult to a decent and dedicated MP with a long track record of standing up to anti semitism generally and within the Labour Party. I note several Jewish organisations and public figures have spoken in Ms. Duffield MP’s support in these terms and I would hope their views are taken seriously by the relevant process.
Conclusion
Yesterday, I marched with thousands of British Jews and allies to show solidarity after the horrific events of October 7, 2023 in Israel. Like Ms. Duffield MP, I have shown through my actions and words real support and solidarity with Jews and so I repeat that insofar as your process implies a prima facie case for Ms. Duffield MP to answer, I regard that as vexatious, absurd and defamatory.
You may wish to carefully reflect on the degree to which your process is apparently vulnerable to malicious complaints and you may think it better, fairer and wiser to halt this misconceived campaign by abuse of process against Ms. Duffield MP. As matters stand, you are pursuing an absurd and obviously vexatious matter and you risk the process becoming the punishment. I urge you to think again and consider how credible such a process now is given the matters I raise.
Sincerely,
Graham Linehan"

duc748 · 28/11/2023 11:46

Top man. Just scummy from the Labour Party.

Helleofabore · 28/11/2023 11:50

Thank you for posting that Eresh. It does show clearly what he meant and just as clearly and brightly, it shows the members of the Labour Party’s tactics for their vilification of Rosie (and some posters on this very thread too).

itsfinallytime · 28/11/2023 12:15

I think it is worse than scummy of the Labour Party.

Where even IS Kier Starmer on this issue?

It is crystal clear that there is nothing anti semitic about etiher LIneham's original tweet or RD's liking of it.

What is actually deeply problematic is using this as an excuse to oust her for sharing the same beliefs as the vast majority of the country, that human's can't change sex and that there are circumstances in which this really matters.

You would think with all of the issues that the LP have had with Corbyn and factions of the party over anti- semitism that KS would want to swiftly resolve this, by apologising to RD. The fact that he doesn't speaks volumes. The only person who should be reprimanded for this debarkle is the sainted EI , but as we all know he is wearing the trans shield which makes him untouchable - a member of such a sacred caste claiming victimhood in this way is so distasteful.

I'm afraid that this is the nail in the coffin for the Labour Party for me. I don't trust that it values women's rights and I don't trust it has resolved it's anti-semitism problem either. Using RD as a scape goat in this manner when it is EI's comment which is problematic is just abhorrent.

UnremarkableBeasts · 28/11/2023 16:51

Arguably, the appropriation of the holocaust to claim ultimate victim status is far closer to anti-semetism than people mocking Izzard for making the claim.

The holocaust revisionism is surely in Izzard’s claim that he’d have been targeted and killed by the Nazis.

The complaint is pure DARVO.

Helleofabore · 28/11/2023 17:01

It is very much disproportionate and hypocritical Unremarkable.

Froodwithatowel · 28/11/2023 17:27

UnremarkableBeasts · 28/11/2023 16:51

Arguably, the appropriation of the holocaust to claim ultimate victim status is far closer to anti-semetism than people mocking Izzard for making the claim.

The holocaust revisionism is surely in Izzard’s claim that he’d have been targeted and killed by the Nazis.

The complaint is pure DARVO.

Edited

I remember a very shrewd comedian, years back now, very early on in this mess, saying that this political movement always sounded to him like a bunch of spoiled children whining about the holocaust "Put MY shoes in the pile" and "I wanna go on the train!"

At the time I was shocked and thought he was taking it too far. But no. Sadly, he really, really wasn't.

Datun · 28/11/2023 18:11

Froodwithatowel · 28/11/2023 17:27

I remember a very shrewd comedian, years back now, very early on in this mess, saying that this political movement always sounded to him like a bunch of spoiled children whining about the holocaust "Put MY shoes in the pile" and "I wanna go on the train!"

At the time I was shocked and thought he was taking it too far. But no. Sadly, he really, really wasn't.

Fuck me, no he wasn't. That's exactly how Izzard comes across.

Let me be a victim in my Girl Mode.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/11/2023 20:44

Razor sharp.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/11/2023 20:45

Arguably, the appropriation of the holocaust to claim ultimate victim status is far closer to anti-semetism than people mocking Izzard for making the claim.

Yes, that's the signature move of the trans lobby. The more outrageous the reversal, the better.

AdrianaLaCerva · 29/11/2023 17:28

Datun · 27/11/2023 09:12

PlanetJanette · Today 07:39

You simply cannot keep repeating this ‘Izzard acts male for the purposes of acting’ nonsense without also grappling with the fact that gay actors also act straight for the purposes of acting.

Lol. Izzard isn't acting male, Izzard is male.

Nailed it.

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IcakethereforeIam · 04/12/2023 02:13

There's a little more information here. Police, initially useless. Sentence, would have been harsher except for prison overcrowding.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stella-creasy-labour-mp-online-troll-philip-stacey-guilty-0k9mzzmls

https://archive.ph/mZvJ4 archive link

If she's not capable of seeing the parallels between her treatment by this man, and the repercussions to her and her family, and the treatment of other women (and some men) labelled 'gender critical' by tras then there's no hope for her.

Troll’s harassment of Stella Creasy one of worst cases judge has seen

An online troll whose malicious targeting of a Labour MP left her with a social services record has admitted harassment in what a judge described as one of the worst cases he had seen.Philip Stacey

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stella-creasy-labour-mp-online-troll-philip-stacey-guilty-0k9mzzmls

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ArthurbellaScott · 04/12/2023 07:18

Good for Stella. That must have been a horrible and frightening experience.

I'm afraid I don't hold out much hope for her joining up any dots any time soon, though. She strikes me as very attached to her views and her own righteousness..

MargotBamborough · 04/12/2023 08:48

ArthurbellaScott · 04/12/2023 07:18

Good for Stella. That must have been a horrible and frightening experience.

I'm afraid I don't hold out much hope for her joining up any dots any time soon, though. She strikes me as very attached to her views and her own righteousness..

Yes, I am not optimistic either.

This is someone who has spent years banging the drum about barriers to women in politics, a subject which she apparently became passionate about when she was pregnant and experienced first hand the fact that MPs don't get maternity leave and aren't allowed to breastfeed in the House of Commons.

You'd think she'd have joined the dots at that point and thought, "The barriers I specifically have encountered in my political career have been linked to my female biology and the fact that I and not my male partner had to be pregnant and give birth, and only I and not my male partner could breastfeed our children. Clearly the fact that we are the childbearing sex has a huge impact on women's ability to succeed in many careers, this is a feminist issue."

Same with her campaigning in relation to abortion, which also only affects the female sex.

By rights she ought to be a card carrying TERF, or at the very least be saying, "Being biologically female has a huge impact on women and our ability to advance in our careers and participate in society generally. This means women need specific sex based language and protections which acknowledge that fact, and we need the language we use around sex and gender to be clear enough to allow us to describe and discuss these things. Nobody should want to offend or upset trans people, but trans people need to understand and accept that it is necessary to have language to talk about biological sex and not be offended by that."

But no. Trans women are female, apparently. Women can have penises.

Jesus wept.

TheABC · 04/12/2023 09:33

It's telling that Stella did not get any support from the Labour party, either. They really are a shitshow for their female MPs.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/12/2023 09:43

I'm afraid I don't hold out much hope for her joining up any dots any time soon, though. She strikes me as very attached to her views and her own righteousness..

She is, she has a massive blind spot on this issue, just like she also can't see how Parliament discriminating against mothers is sexism in general, and that therefore sex means something.

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