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Gender Criticals - how are you going to vote in the election?

305 replies

ProfessorFlitwick · 27/11/2023 11:02

My political views are centre-left. I am genuinely unsure how to vote in the next election because I am absolutely not voting for any party that supports harmful woke ideology. I am curious to hear how other GCs are thinking of voting next year?

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RandySavage · 27/11/2023 11:07

This has been concerning me as well. If the SDP have a candidate in my constituency I'll vote for them.

I met the Labour candidate a few days ago. He was aware of the debate and had GC views (he didn't call them that). If the SDP do not have a candidate I'll vote Labour - the party might be dodgy but at least there will be one more sane voice in the HoC

RandySavage · 27/11/2023 11:08

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What I meant to say was: "Find out the views of your local candidates".

DisforDarkChocolate · 27/11/2023 11:08

No idea. I'm in my 50s and I've never lived anywhere where my vote means anything. A donkey would win where I'm at now if they had a blue rosette.

I did tell the woman canvassing for Labour that I was a single issue voter on this and why.

teawamutu · 27/11/2023 11:18

I was edging very slowly back towards Labour when the news about Rosie Duffield's continued persecution broke.

I'm watching. There's not a cat's chance in hell I'll vote for them if she's not exonerated.

Floisme · 27/11/2023 11:21

I've not decided yet. I very much want a change of government and I think even dyed in the wool Conservatives of integrity would be secretly embarrassed if they were voted in again.

Always voted Labour in the past and used to be a member. If push comes to shove, I guess I'd prefer a Starmer headed Labour majority to a hung parliament that gave power to the likes of the Lib Dems. But there is the small issue that I have grown to despise my old party and I'm not sure I can get past that.

I agree with a PP that their current treatment of Rose Duffield might be the last straw for me. Whatever happens, I'll be checking out the independent candidates very carefully.

Beowulfa · 27/11/2023 11:23

I'll be voting out of duty with zero enthusiasm.

My vote may well be a scrawled cock spunking over women's rights.

TheValueOfEverything · 27/11/2023 11:25

Labour

No simple solution. The wind is changing. Thinking big picture.

SidewaysOtter · 27/11/2023 11:31

I can't bring myself to vote Labour, I don't trust them. They might be changing their tune now, but it's only because they realise their previous stance was a vote loser and not because they've genuinely seen the light. I don't trust Labour with the economy, either.

The MP here is Tory and he's been supportive of women's rights. Much as it might stick in my craw, I may well hold my nose and vote for him.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 27/11/2023 11:32

Labour. They're the least worst option and, because they're mostly well meaning but ignorant, we have a chance of changing their minds.

Tories are only using the issue as a cynical culture war weapon.

HermioneWeasley · 27/11/2023 11:38

No idea, but not Labour based on their appalling treatment of Rosie Duffield. They cannot be trusted with women’s rights

RavingStone · 27/11/2023 11:38

I vote for a good independent in locals. General it can only be Labour or spoil. I am socialist and of course thinking bigger picture. But bigger picture can also mean hoping that Labour grows a backbone and returns to its socialist roots.

Recent actions tell me that Labour needs our votes but they're scared of a backlash from a smaller but privileged and vocal group. Current leadership is so weak. Current issues - Gaza, climate, poverty and misogyny - need strong leadership by someone who is not afraid of the truth.

To add .... I was feeling far more hopeful about voting Labour recently. The renewed bullying of Rosie Duffield really fucks that up. It's almost like some of them want the left wing opposition split and weak.

ImNunTheWiser · 27/11/2023 11:40

teawamutu · 27/11/2023 11:18

I was edging very slowly back towards Labour when the news about Rosie Duffield's continued persecution broke.

I'm watching. There's not a cat's chance in hell I'll vote for them if she's not exonerated.

Bit of an issue for them. They either press ahead and lose votes from women and the uncaptured, or they see the accusation against her for the bullshit it is and highly likely lose the seat. If she remains in situ in Canterbury then they risk losing the huge student vote that was aggressively mobilised to get her elected, in the previously safe Tory seat, in the first place.

I think the boundary is changing in my constituency, and a possible retirement, so I will have to see who is put up and look at them as individuals, check their personal opinions and balance it against how they will serve the local area.

Toseland · 27/11/2023 11:40

I don't think Labour are well meaning or ignorant - they know full well what they are doing. When I asked my candidate on the doorstep he laughed and ran away.

limefrog · 27/11/2023 11:42

Labour.

There are GC people in the Labour party, and ultimately it is important to look at the wider picture than this one issue, otherwise you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Not saying this issue is not important, but there are ultimately many MORE important things affecting the UK right now. We need perspective.

PokeyLaFarge · 27/11/2023 11:44

Not labour
So...no one
Unless the SDP field anyone

Floisme · 27/11/2023 11:44

And let me add before it happens, the Labour supporters who always drop in on threads like this to make their oh-so-funny jokes about knowing what a woman is, are part of the reason why I have grown to despise my old party.

dunBle · 27/11/2023 11:47

At the moment it's looking like a spoiled ballot again. It's fairly academic anyway, as I live in a massively safe Labour seat.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 27/11/2023 11:51

Toseland · 27/11/2023 11:40

I don't think Labour are well meaning or ignorant - they know full well what they are doing. When I asked my candidate on the doorstep he laughed and ran away.

I think individual mps may be, although your candidate sounds terrible!

It's true that Labour have been a disappointment in lots of ways - and the left is just as misogynistic as the right.

But parties aren't like people - in that they can change quite quickly, with the right lobbying. Let's try to do that.

eurochick · 27/11/2023 11:51

No idea. No one reflects my views. I'm a centrist (economically a bit right of centre, on other issues a bit left of centre). And I'm firmly GC.

The Lib Dems probably should be my natural home but obviously they are a complete shut show. I'm disgusted with the state of the country under the Tories. I had high hopes for a Starmer Labour Party being close enough to the centre for me to be able to support them but I'm so disappointed in them (not just their treatment of women but more broadly) there is no way I could vote for them.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 27/11/2023 11:52

limefrog · 27/11/2023 11:42

Labour.

There are GC people in the Labour party, and ultimately it is important to look at the wider picture than this one issue, otherwise you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Not saying this issue is not important, but there are ultimately many MORE important things affecting the UK right now. We need perspective.

You can talk to me about perspective when my family is no longer being torn apart by gender ideology.

I have no idea how I will vote. My Labour MP is probably just about on the sensible side of this debate, but I don’t trust her to follow her conscience against the Whips or to stand up for truth if that means being criticised. She has a history of keeping quiet and waiting for the wind to change in her favour. I don’t really blame her for that, but it means I don’t fully trust her. If the SDP have a candidate I will vote for them. Labour will win here anyway.

MargotBamborough · 27/11/2023 11:52

I will probably spoil my ballot.

MargotBamborough · 27/11/2023 11:53

eurochick · 27/11/2023 11:51

No idea. No one reflects my views. I'm a centrist (economically a bit right of centre, on other issues a bit left of centre). And I'm firmly GC.

The Lib Dems probably should be my natural home but obviously they are a complete shut show. I'm disgusted with the state of the country under the Tories. I had high hopes for a Starmer Labour Party being close enough to the centre for me to be able to support them but I'm so disappointed in them (not just their treatment of women but more broadly) there is no way I could vote for them.

This completely reflects my own views as well.

TiptoeThroughTheToadstools · 27/11/2023 11:53

I'm in Scotland and unless Alba field an MP, I don't think I can vote at all.

GoodOldEmmaNess · 27/11/2023 11:53

I did feel until recently that, conceivably, if our local candidate rencounced gender ideolology and spoke explicitly in favour of sex-based rights then I might feel able to vote for her, but I'm getting more and more concerned about the abuse of process that the Labour Party is employing to control and eradicate any views that they find electorally problematic.
The most recent treatment of Duffield is an instance of that, but there are others on a range of issues, making it seem pointless to vote for principled individual candidates.
I'm also beyond appalled at Starmer's refusals to back calls for a ceasefire in Gaza -- an exreme enough failure that swathes of his shadow cabinet resigned. And his recent cynical compromising on green issues.
He and his team routinely carve out nonesnsical unprincipled stances, based on electoral calculations, and then strongarm and persecute individuals and local parties into accepting them. To a far greater extent than has been done before.

What is the point of supporting a party like that? What would actually be achieved, in practice? One parliamentary term of Thatcherism-lite (decorated with faux-progressive bread-and-circuses gender bollocks to distract their younger voters) while the tories regroup? Nah.

KohlaParasaurus · 27/11/2023 11:58

Not sure. I've always voted Labour in the past but at the moment they're beyond the pale. I currently have a Conservative MP (former Red Wall constituency) who is loudly GC but if you scratched the surface I think you'd find he's no friend to women, and that represents how I feel about his party. I'm hoping for a good independent to appear between now and the election.