Conservative candidate resigns after trans comments

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2z7663p16o

How would they express such views about immigrants?

We don't have separate spaces and sports for immigrants so it's not a comparable issue.

Yes, anti-semitism, and in particular denying Israel's right to exist would trigger a prevent referral in an educational setting.

In a video posted online, uploaded by the Eastern Daily Press
, external, he appeared to say: "A bloke wearing a dress who identifies as a woman should be in a male prison [and] should not be allowed in women's toilets. For goodness sake

He had to go, he views are in direct conflict with Govt policy which is that trans women can go to a female only prison, so long as they have not committed a violent offence.

Well yes it sort of is. Liberal feminism lead to this and if they don’t like now that they have it then it is for them to come up with a solution and compromise acceptable in a liberal democracy I think. However I would also qualify that by saying that I don’t think all feminism is liberal feminism and that I don’t think feminism at its core is liberal. But the dominant form of feminism in the west is and absolutely did lead to where we are now.

But liberal feminists are a tiny minority of women.

Why are ordinary women who just want to use the toilet in safety and dignity to blame for what liberal feminists have done?

Oh that’s just the way of the world isn’t it? Populations always pay for the policies of their leaders. Always have always will I guess.

Nobody elected liberal feminists though. They're not our leaders.

So it's totally unfair to blame women for "letting" men in our single sex spaces when there was no letting. It was imposed on us without our consent.

How on earth have you leapt to that conclusion?

Just emphasizing that everything is women's fault of course?

Nobody in Iraq elected Saddam Hussain either but millions and millions still suffered for the policies of their leader. It’s like a child complaining that the world is unfair. The child’s not necessarily wrong but it doesn’t matter because they still have to deal with the world as it is.

Men effectively said can we use women’s spaces if we identify as women and liberal feminists said sure come on in we are tolerant and inclusive. Now you have to accept it or seek to change it. But I don’t think anyone else is going to change it for you.

"How on earth, all of you ladies here, can allow a bloke in a dress to come into your loos? It's disgusting."

The onus is on YOU, women! Stop being so disgusting as to allow this to happen to yourselves!

Fuck off mate and address your valid concerns to the blokes who invade women's spaces.

It's "she was asking for it" by any other name.

It’s enraging

Tell it to the GRA creators and all the men who have pushed into our spaces since

How do you suggest we change it then?

Which party can we vote for?

This is awful. His comments regarding transwomen intruding into single sex spaces echo what the vast majority of our country think, and what our current Prime Minister and his predecessor have said. Keeping biological men out of women’s prisons and toilets is basic safeguarding.

Schools are teaching anti-science, anti-women, anti-safeguarding and anti-gay fanaticism, a Conservative candidate contradicts that and he’s the one who gets fired? Just awful.

As for his other comment about an immigrant ‘invasion’, well obviously that was an undiplomatic choice of word, but he was echoing the exact word used by the last Home Secretary and it is not a sackable word to use. Also we have to be able to discuss the fact that so far this year over 50,000 illegal immigrants have landed on Kent beaches in illegal boats, and that’s just those who were caught, the actual number of arrivals will be far higher. By contrast the Norman invasion was only 7,000 and the Roman invasion was 40,000 so the word invasion while undiplomatic and unwise isn’t exactly inaccurate.

We have to be able to have a free-speaking debate on these issues without destroying the careers of those who some
see as controversial. Free speech is the basis of Western culture - or it was, until entitled white male misogynists put on lipstick and claimed to a vulnerable minority.

The school says it’s “inclusive”?! Ha. It isn’t inclusive of teenage girls who don’t want to get changed in front of boys, or parents who care about safeguarding, or lesbians who want to reject sex with penis without being harassed as ‘transphobic’.

I'm as GC as anyone but I think his comments were totally unacceptable in front of students. If no students were present, I still think his views were expressed in a rather extreme and divisive way, the invasion comment in particular. I don't agree that he was "censored", he's been deselected because the Conservative party presumably didn't want a candidate who would put off centre-ground voters.

Well in his defence if you poll people women do seem more likely to be in favour of this than men…

If they are sixth formers, and the school decides to invite in a politician, I think you have to accept that they may be saying things that are controversial and other people may see as "bigoted" or whatever; that's the nature of politics.

The censorship issue is of the school in my view, not the Tory Party.

It's always someone else's fault. I think the Tory anthem going into the next GE should be Shaggy's It Wasn't Me.

@PorcelinaV it's not clear if under 18s were present or not, but a school doesn't expect a politician to make inflammatory remarks or incite racism when they visit. Usually they talk about how the house of commons works or some other interesting but non-political issue. Of course if it was a hustings that's a bit different and you would expect to hear robust discussion of sensitive issues.

Update, I looked a bit further and the comments were made to sixth formers during a mock question time event. I do think that's out of order.
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2023-11-22/would-be-tory-mp-steps-down-after-school-makes-complaint

Some on the left think that 16 is old enough to vote. I don't really agree with that, but I do think that 16 is probably old enough that you don't need to be protected from Conservative Party rhetoric.

They will soon be voting. They are going to get exposed to all sorts of political ideas that people will find objectionable.

Is there a proposal to drop the voting age to 16 in Scotland or has it happened?

I agree with Porcelina: at that age they need to hear a wide range of views and know each party (and politician) for who they are. Not be given a nicely distilled false version. We are currently in this mad stage of society where we teach primary kids about sex acts but are frightened to let young adults experience anyone talking about women's rights or the realities of who they are voting for. Ridiculous over exposure too young to adult ideas alongside infantilisation.

No wonder the mental health of these generations is in such a mess.

It wasn’t Conservative Party rhetoric (or indeed policy). That’s why the Conservative Party have deselected him. Honestly the way some people are laying the blame for him being deselected with the school here is bizarre. They complained to the local party because they thought he used language that was not appropriate for a school environment. The party could have told the school “tough, if you invite a conservative politician, except to hear conservative policies”. But they didn’t, they de-selected him. Because he clearly isn’t following party policy, which is the bare minimum you need to do to be a PPC.

I don’t know. You could try reform uk or the SDP. But I’m not sure they could sort it out either.

It would need to be a party that was willing to be very autocratic to change this because they would need to remove 1.000’s of people from their positions at the top of our institutions. This belief comes from liberal progressivism and you don’t get promoted easily in the U.K. unless you share certain values, i.e unless you are a progressive.

But why am I telling you this, feminists are just going to vote Labour on mass and get more of this?

Well you've rather proven my point there, haven't you. It's not as simple as changing things when there is no mainstream party which actually cares about women's rights.

In the last general election the only options on my ballot paper were Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem.

Why would you expect them to care? They’re all different flavours of liberal progressivism.

Liberals don’t care about group rights they care about individual rights. Liberals don’t see women as class with group interests, they see them as individual people, feminism sees women as a class.

Reform UK might do something about this, I don’t know, but the best you will get from Tories is ‘we are dreadfully sorry that this is happening but to actually do anything about it would be illiberal and unbritish so we mustn’t do that’.

Think of how this looks to your average centre left liberal. They want to free individuals from all social and moral norms which they regard as an oppressive pressure to conform to the wishes of a tyrannical majority. They totally reject conformity.

Now these progressives have already been persuaded that almost all of the meaningful differences between men and women are the result of socialisation and believe that boys can be socialised to be more like girls (wonder where they got that idea from). So when you ask such a person if a person should be treated as the sex they were born or the sex that they would like to be or identify as, what answer do you think you will get? They will obviously tell you that individuals can be whoever they want to be.

That’s why the ideology could spread so quickly, the powers that be agree with its logic and reasoning, because they’re liberal and progressive people. The British establishment is now university educated liberals, the country is no longer run by old aristocratic men with country estates.