Conservative candidate resigns after trans comments

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2z7663p16o

Why did he resign though? His comments are on brand with the tories put him in high standing with certain demographics of women. He sounds like the ideal candidate for them. Bashing transwomen and migrants in one go - a tories wet dream.

@Freddder I don't know much about Reform but I don't have a Reform candidate to vote for.

And yes, I do expect the mainstream parties to care about 51% of the population. The fact that none of them do is disgraceful. But I'm not sure what I personally can do about it because there are literally no other options for me to vote for.

Yes it was Conservative Party rhetoric when it comes to the "invasion" comment.

And personally I'm not blaming the school for him being deselected. (Which may be for other reasons than the talk in question.)

I'm blaming the school for wanting to censor someone in what looks suspiciously like an illegal and unethical way.

You will have a reform candidate this time, tice says they are standing everywhere. The only thing I think reform uk would do though is put into law the things you want, but that won’t stop this long term anymore than section 28 stopped gay rights. The liberal elite will press on with their beliefs anyway as far as legally possible and as soon as there was a Labour government these laws would be repealed.

The progressives don’t see you as part of 51% of the population, they see you and everyone else as part of 100% of the population and they think everything should be totally inclusive to everyone. They don’t see women as a class at all, feminism does.

I can see why the liberal progressives and the feminists ended up on the same team when cultural norms were limiting women but the progressives didn’t do it for the same reason feminists did and the line became blurred as many liberal progressive women thought they were feminists. Do you think Nicola Sturgeon is feminist? I’m sure she would say she is but I think she’s really a liberal progressive.

As far as I understand it feminism advocates for the rights and well being of women as a class and this might include restricting individual freedoms and re-enforcing social taboos. Prostitution is a good example of this, legalising prostitution and getting rid of the taboos around it would increase individual freedom but it’s in the interests and wellbeing of women to criminalise it. Now look at which parties in Europe have legalised prostitution. Are they parties of the left or the right? Which parties legalised prostitution in Germany?

Why are you equating women's rights with section 28?

@Freddder can I just say thank you for your posts on the subject of how we have come to the state that we are in and what it might take to change it (that nobody really wants). I haven't found them easy reading, I've struggled get my head around it, but I am extra grateful for your posts, they've really made me think and see things in a different light.

Not sure if that's a better or a worse light(!), but different perspective, and I am grateful.

This is depressing as anything but maybe so

The trouble is so many other countries face the same, with PR as voting system so I’m not sure what we do to get what we want

She isn't...?!

She's using it as a similie.

Section 28 didn't stop gay rights ultimately coming through.

She's saying that any laws that reform UK manage to get put in won't stop the long term trend, and will be repealed under the next labour government.

No, I’m pointing at the parallels.

At the time views in society were very different to how they are now. The conservative government and the majority of the public did not support gay rights at that time but the elites in the civil service and the important cultural, educational and opinion forming institutions did. The government introduced section 28 but it did not ‘win’ their side of the debate anything in the long-term, things continued to move in the direction they were moving for reasons I have already talked about.

So, I’m saying that if a party like reform U.K. did introduce the sorts of laws you would like it would be like section 28 in that elite opinion would not change and neither would the direction of travel. The only way the direction of travel would change is if the government legislated to change who the elites were, I.e. they would have to have legislation in place to enable them to sack 1,000’s of people (meaning they’d no longer be elites) and replaced with people who saw the world differently. I don’t think reform uk or any mainstream party would be prepared to do this as it’s totally illiberal and autocratic.

@MargotBamborough Here is a prediction, see if I am right or not...

American President Donald Trump had one of the least successful presidencies of any president ever. Other than changing the balance on federal courts and exiting Afghanistan very few of trumps promises were delivered. But he really did try. Trump’s wall was delayed by years because he couldn’t even get funding for it until he realised he could as commander in chief declare an emergency and get the military to build it. He couldn’t even pardon everyone he wanted to as lawyers refused to draw up the documents for some people.

In short, Trump couldn’t get anything done because the US establishment wouldn’t let him despite him being the president.

I think trump knows the reasons he failed so I predict that if he is elected again he will immediately start his presidency by issuing an executive order so he can sack 1,000’s of people in order to actually get stuff done. See if it happens.

The comment on asylum seekers is horrible and he should be barred from standing for that but Tory ministers have said worse .The stuff on Trans women - biological males in mens prisons, I agree.
Still wouldn't vote Tory though.

There are no parallels between people who wanted to deny gay people equal rights and people who want women's safety and dignity to be respected.

HTH.

This is incredible to read. Opinions about immigration levels are political opinions, not terror speech. Terror speech is tens of thousands marching on the streets shrieking " From the river to the sea". You are lost as a society if you cannot distinguish between the two.