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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Female boxer withdraws from fight with transwoman

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ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 14:27

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter/

'The Quebec Boxing Federation was reportedly aware of Walmsley’s biological sex, but justified the fight by stating they had chosen an appropriate referee for the match. Ultimately, Bissonnette says her decision to withdraw came down to safety.'

'Following Bissonnette’s withdrawal, Walmsley issued a statement to the press accusing her of “outing” him and warning that similar actions would have a negative impact on female athletes.'

CANADA: Female Boxer Withdraws From Competition After Being Matched Against Male Fighter - Reduxx

A female boxer withdrew from a provincial championship in Quebec after learning that her opponent was biologically male, leading to him winning the competition by default. Dr. Katia Bissonnette of Saguenay says she was matched against transgender fight...

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter

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NovemberAutumn · 20/11/2023 17:51

I don't know if the world is real.

But I know that men are not women. No matter how hard they bleat about it.

ArcaneWireless · 20/11/2023 17:52

NovemberAutumn · 20/11/2023 17:51

I don't know if the world is real.

But I know that men are not women. No matter how hard they bleat about it.

Quite.

DuesToTheDirt · 20/11/2023 17:55

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:07

First of all, it’s transphobic to call “man” a trans woman. She doesn’t “say”, she is a woman. Maybe not a born-woman, but still is.

This says it all really, in the trans "be kind" debate.

Women - don't want men/transwomen to punch them, rape them, attack them, flash at them.

Transwomen and trans apologists - agonising over the cruelty of misgendering. Hmm

toomanykittensnow · 20/11/2023 18:00

Curious to know how many born female transgender people want to compete against born men?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 20/11/2023 18:03

Take away the words woman and she.

Group A have biologically female bodies.

Group B have an inner sense of something.

Some people are in both groups. Some are only in one. Some are in neither.

I'm not going to argue which Group should be allowed to call themselves Woman or She.

I AM going to argue that "women's sports", and spaces, and protections, and opportunities, and rights were set up when women meant Group A and were therefore intended for Group A.

Claiming that membership of Group B should confer a right to any of these things simply because Group B has politicked to redefine the words that previously applied to group A without making any case as to why groups A and B should be interchangeable other than a shared name is logically incoherent and morally reprehensible.

Hurroo · 20/11/2023 18:04

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I really hope this world is real, because if I'm imagining it, I need to hand my badge in right now and stop.

busstopbingo · 20/11/2023 18:04

There's a trans woman fighter in Thailand who fights men. That's what is safe and fair for everyone involved. Biological differences can't be understated enough in fight sports

busstopbingo · 20/11/2023 18:06

And I say that as a woman in martial arts. I fight men (non competitively) who are shorter and lighter than me who can still beat me in a match of physical strength. I've sparred teenage boys who are stronger than me. It's not safe in a competitive fight

RufustheFactualReindeer · 20/11/2023 18:10

Babes 😳

ErrolTheDragon · 20/11/2023 18:23

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:25

Do your research properly. Not here to educate you.

Do yours. You're citing an out of date paper.

DirtyDuchess · 20/11/2023 18:27

I think Paola has been called for they's tea. PLEASE keep that bloody stairgate closed ladies.

ArcaneWireless · 20/11/2023 18:29

A born female transgender person will have known all their lives that males are stronger. From primary onwards. So I expect there wouldn’t be a rush to step into a ring.

They don’t seem to forsake reality to the same extent and so if they then choose to fight a man, they will have considered it long and hard. They will know of the disadvantages and will weigh up the risk.

What they don’t do - as is evidenced here - is to put themselves forward to fight someone knowing that they have an inborn physical advantage and give their opponent no warning of that fact or an opportunity for their opponent to consider the risk.

Some should ask themselves why only someone born a man feels that this is an acceptable thing to do.

And should then ask themselves why they are so hung up on ‘hims’ and ‘males’ rather than the fact that someone born a male is so very, very outraged that someone pre-warned a woman and gave her a chance to weigh up that risk.

Restinggoddess · 20/11/2023 18:30

So proud of our sports women who are taking a stance against this trans nonesense

Sports bodies need to get with the times and recognise changes need to be made to safeguard women’s sports

UnremarkableBeasts · 20/11/2023 18:51

ErrolTheDragon · 20/11/2023 18:23

Do yours. You're citing an out of date paper.

That’s not even about the performance differences between the sexes.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/11/2023 18:55

Calling a woman “him”. Is it so hard for you to get it? Is it?

No one on this thread has called a woman "him".

EasternStandard · 20/11/2023 18:56

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/11/2023 18:55

Calling a woman “him”. Is it so hard for you to get it? Is it?

No one on this thread has called a woman "him".

True

Waitwhat23 · 20/11/2023 19:09

WickedSerious · 20/11/2023 17:46

That's because he is male.

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'Damn you reality, damn you to hell!'

ArcaneWireless · 20/11/2023 19:14
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Women.

Tiredanddistracted · 20/11/2023 19:50

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Well, that's a bit ableist, Paola.

Boiledbeetle · 20/11/2023 21:38

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 16:51

this post reeks of extreme transphobia. What a beautiful place mumnet is!

Mumsnet is indeed a beautiful place.

Then invariably someone turns up on a thread and spouts complete and utter uniformed rubbish.

Don't you just hate it when that happens

Boiledbeetle · 20/11/2023 21:47

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:21

No. Denying someone’s identity is clear. When someone identifies as she and you call her “he” is transphobia. Can’t be clearer.

WORIADS babe! Means we can state the blindingly obvious by law as in a man with lady feels is indeed still a man.

Froodwithatowel · 20/11/2023 21:53

This post reeks of extreme transphobia

In this sense all you mean by 'transphobia' is 'heresy'.

You are free to practice the faith of your choice. No one else is compelled to go along with it, or believe your assertion that they're going to hell/evil/infidel/yada yada.

Boiledbeetle · 20/11/2023 21:59

Froodwithatowel · 20/11/2023 21:53

This post reeks of extreme transphobia

In this sense all you mean by 'transphobia' is 'heresy'.

You are free to practice the faith of your choice. No one else is compelled to go along with it, or believe your assertion that they're going to hell/evil/infidel/yada yada.

So does that mean you aren't going to feed my delusion/belief/special internal woo woo feelings and ignore my insistance that you now call me "your highness Boiled who i will serve for the remainder of my natural life" as I believe I'm the reincarnation of Queen Victoria?

JanesLittleGirl · 20/11/2023 22:22

Boiledbeetle · 20/11/2023 21:59

So does that mean you aren't going to feed my delusion/belief/special internal woo woo feelings and ignore my insistance that you now call me "your highness Boiled who i will serve for the remainder of my natural life" as I believe I'm the reincarnation of Queen Victoria?

Sorry Boiled You aren't the reincarnation of Queen Victoria. Otherwise you would have written

"So does that mean that you aren't going to feed our delusion/belief/special woo woo feelings and ignore our insistence that you now call us "your highness Boiled who I will serve for the remainder of my natural life " as we believe that we are the reincarnation of Queen Victoria?"

Boiledbeetle · 20/11/2023 22:31

JanesLittleGirl · 20/11/2023 22:22

Sorry Boiled You aren't the reincarnation of Queen Victoria. Otherwise you would have written

"So does that mean that you aren't going to feed our delusion/belief/special woo woo feelings and ignore our insistence that you now call us "your highness Boiled who I will serve for the remainder of my natural life " as we believe that we are the reincarnation of Queen Victoria?"

Please Help Come On GIF

😂

Bugger! OK I lied! But won't you call me your highness...just once

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!

Goes off to sulk because no one will affirm my delusions!

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