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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Female boxer withdraws from fight with transwoman

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ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 14:27

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter/

'The Quebec Boxing Federation was reportedly aware of Walmsley’s biological sex, but justified the fight by stating they had chosen an appropriate referee for the match. Ultimately, Bissonnette says her decision to withdraw came down to safety.'

'Following Bissonnette’s withdrawal, Walmsley issued a statement to the press accusing her of “outing” him and warning that similar actions would have a negative impact on female athletes.'

CANADA: Female Boxer Withdraws From Competition After Being Matched Against Male Fighter - Reduxx

A female boxer withdrew from a provincial championship in Quebec after learning that her opponent was biologically male, leading to him winning the competition by default. Dr. Katia Bissonnette of Saguenay says she was matched against transgender fight...

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter

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UnremarkableBeasts · 20/11/2023 17:17

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:14

I’m not talking about the actual fight, I’m talking about everything around it. Everyone here insists on calling her as him and male. This is transphobia. Everything else is debatable.

i think you’ll find that the meaning of the concept if ‘transphobia’ is extremely debatable.

NecessaryScene · 20/11/2023 17:18

She doesn’t “say”, she is a woman. Maybe not a born-woman, but still is.

How do you know?

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:21

No. Denying someone’s identity is clear. When someone identifies as she and you call her “he” is transphobia. Can’t be clearer.

CatonmyKeyboard · 20/11/2023 17:22

Currently, there is no direct or consistent research suggesting transgender female individuals (or male individuals) have an athletic advantage at any stage of their transition

Well, females who take testosterone have an advantage over females who don't. And males, whatever their gender, have a really solidly established advantage over females.

The rest is just words. I don't think you can argue that someone's self-image and/or self-description changes their physical ability.

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:23

How do you know that you you’re a human? How do you know this world is real?

Menstrualcycledisplayteam · 20/11/2023 17:23

Policing women's speech is Orwellian. He's a man, we'll call him "he" if we want to. It doesn't come from a position of hate or fear, it comes from a position of truth.

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:24

Yeah sure, write a paper and prove them wrong. And of course publish it. There you go.

CatonmyKeyboard · 20/11/2023 17:24

Paola, I'm honestly getting to the point of thinking 'Fuck it' when anyone tries to argue that male = female and anything else is transphobic.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/11/2023 17:24

Define trans given that most TW don’t have surgery or take hormones?

Female boxer withdraws from fight with transwoman
Female boxer withdraws from fight with transwoman
EasternStandard · 20/11/2023 17:25

Menstrualcycledisplayteam · 20/11/2023 17:23

Policing women's speech is Orwellian. He's a man, we'll call him "he" if we want to. It doesn't come from a position of hate or fear, it comes from a position of truth.

Policing women's speech is Orwellian

Yes

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:25

Nothing Orwellian here babes, it’s fundamental human rights.

CatonmyKeyboard · 20/11/2023 17:25

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:23

How do you know that you you’re a human? How do you know this world is real?

Oh lord. If I'm a cat, or the world is cheese, does that make male = female?

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:25

Do your research properly. Not here to educate you.

EasternStandard · 20/11/2023 17:26

No. Women can recognise biological reality

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Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:27

Lol right. Just by default. Forget science and the real world, it just comes down to “individual’s truth”. I thought we were done with this philosophy centuries ago 😂

UnremarkableBeasts · 20/11/2023 17:27

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:24

Yeah sure, write a paper and prove them wrong. And of course publish it. There you go.

I don’t think that you know how research works. I also think (know) that your assumption that your audience haven’t published papers may be build on sand.

But thanks for stopping by to lecture us all and make yourself feel smug and superior.

CatonmyKeyboard · 20/11/2023 17:27

Look, Paola, presumably you think woman or man is something involving inner perception. Good for you, if you can manage to hold that as a consistent belief and definition. But the definition based on body and reproductive set-up is a much clearer and more consistent one, and is what affects sporting ability.

Springcleaninginsummer · 20/11/2023 17:29

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:27

Lol right. Just by default. Forget science and the real world, it just comes down to “individual’s truth”. I thought we were done with this philosophy centuries ago 😂

Are you trying to argue against yourself but forgot to name change?

UnremarkableBeasts · 20/11/2023 17:29

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:25

Nothing Orwellian here babes, it’s fundamental human rights.

Just so you know, our right to believe in biological sex as reality is enshrined in UK equalities law.

So stop with this silliness about fundamental human rights.

titchy · 20/11/2023 17:29

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:25

Nothing Orwellian here babes, it’s fundamental human rights.

What - the human right for a male to belt the living daylights out of a woman by saying the magic words?

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:30

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/11/2023 17:31

Why do you want men to have the right to punch women @Paola11 ?