Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Female boxer withdraws from fight with transwoman

256 replies

ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 14:27

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter/

'The Quebec Boxing Federation was reportedly aware of Walmsley’s biological sex, but justified the fight by stating they had chosen an appropriate referee for the match. Ultimately, Bissonnette says her decision to withdraw came down to safety.'

'Following Bissonnette’s withdrawal, Walmsley issued a statement to the press accusing her of “outing” him and warning that similar actions would have a negative impact on female athletes.'

CANADA: Female Boxer Withdraws From Competition After Being Matched Against Male Fighter - Reduxx

A female boxer withdrew from a provincial championship in Quebec after learning that her opponent was biologically male, leading to him winning the competition by default. Dr. Katia Bissonnette of Saguenay says she was matched against transgender fight...

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter

OP posts:
Thread gallery
16
FrancescaContini · 15/11/2023 15:39

I don’t blame her - even if you’re a professional boxer, what woman wants to get beaten up by a man?

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 15/11/2023 15:45

Walmsley's actually come out and said in a statement that being outed puts Walmsley at risk. No mention of the female fighter being at risk from fighting a male, just Walmsley.

https://twitter.com/Jonnywsbell/status/1724782896697819349

https://twitter.com/Jonnywsbell/status/1724782896697819349

ArcaneWireless · 15/11/2023 15:46

The transgender boxer who will face Katia Bissonnettelast week as part of the Golden Gloves provincial championships, regretted on Thursday the decision of his opponent.

In a written reaction that he sent to the media, Mya Walmsley regretted that his opponent “made the decision to withdraw from the tournament based only on a text message received from a coach.”

A truthful text.

Truth is important.

RoundTheBendThenBackAgain · 15/11/2023 15:47

ArcaneWireless · 15/11/2023 15:08

went on to assert that the best policy for gender self-identification in sport was for athletes to “trust” each other, and defer to coaches and policies in assumption that matches were made fairly.

I don’t think I would trust a man to limit their physical strength in order to play ‘fairly’.

As for outing someone?

I’d posit the notion that it would be fairly evident the minute a man stood up to participate in a competition for women.

We don’t button up the back.

Exactly. And where is the "trust" that he talks about? He wasn't exactly trustworthy when he decided to put himself forward as a female, in order to fight a woman, while keeping the fact that he was male hush hush.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 15/11/2023 15:47

@MrsTerryPratchett I used to do Aikido and Judo in mixed sex groups and there's no way I'd be able to beat a man. Me and Mr Veg used to practice his style together and, in the years we did, I managed to hit him once. It was great fun, but there's no way I'd go up against him seriously as I'd get flattened.

RandomNutter · 15/11/2023 15:53

All about trust, eh?
I think I have solved a problem with the pronouns issue. If you don't want to use she, how about TWAT. Trans women are trusted.

ArcaneWireless · 15/11/2023 15:53

On paper, thirty years ago, I should have been able to prevent my face and body being changed irrevocably.

On paper.

My opponent was a man.

Reality is not the same.

ArcaneWireless · 15/11/2023 15:58

I should say that it wasn’t a competition or a sport.

If I’d have known what was going to happen before hand? I’d have withdrawn too.

Boredanddejected · 15/11/2023 16:03

Bloody hell. That’s really taking be kind to the limit. Allow yourself to be seriously injured or worse to avoid outing a transwoman.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/11/2023 16:09

If TW don't want to be 'outed' by women refusing to compete against them, they have the simple and fair option of sticking to competing against other males instead of trying to colonise female sports.

(Though the piece said this particular individual had an overtly male appearance so not sure what was suppose to be 'outing' about the refusal to compete? Outing as a bullying cheat, maybe?

Night409 · 15/11/2023 16:10

Every woman (and man) needs to do this.

If trans people want to compete in mixed sexed sports then that’s absolutely fine but female teams should be for biological females only and male teams should be for biological males only.
No ifs, no buts.

PaterPower · 15/11/2023 16:18

reddux have also got an article about a martial arts competition in South America which was dominated in at least two categories by male fighters who’d signed up for female categories.

Note the ‘joking’ use of soft porn images by the male cheats competitors:

*Danielle Lenane, one of the only females involved in the competition, was made to fight Cordelia Gregory and Corissa Griffith, the latter representing Odyssey Jiu-Jitsu. Following the fight, Lenane asked for her record to be wiped clean of any indication she had fought either one of the men.
Smith said that during the October 21 tournament, there were more males participating than women in some of the women’s divisions.

In the Women’s No-Gi fight for the 160-169lbs weight class, only Griffith and Gregory participated and took home medals. On his Instagram, Griffith joked about the match, posting a scene from a Japanese “softcore” pornography series and suggesting the two women depicted represented him and Gregory.*

Wanna Be the Strongest in the World - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanna_Be_the_Strongest_in_the_World

ArcaneWireless · 15/11/2023 16:19

Absolutely 409

I wonder how long they would bleat about ‘trusting’ the relevant bodies to match things fairly in a truly mixed competition.

I suspect if they were matched against anyone other than a woman, they would be withdrawing as well.

It isn’t about competing at all.

EasternStandard · 15/11/2023 16:21

More women need to do this.

Good to see it

toomanykittensnow · 15/11/2023 16:22

A female shouldn't have to fight a male no matter what!! Good on her for withdrawing. Shame on him for being a dick about it

itsfinallytime · 15/11/2023 16:23

I think this is interesting in Canada, although it was Hobson's choice really, why should Bisonnette put herself at risk of serious injury. She is likely to face significant backlash though sadly as Canada has lost it's mind when it comes to women's rights.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 15/11/2023 16:23

warning that similar actions would have a negative impact on female athletes

So you can either agree to be beaten up physically by a naturally much stronger person with a huge biological advantage; or otherwise you can retreat quietly and give up the sport that you love and have trained for years to become highly proficient at.

What's that the TRA always say about women (i.e. the female ones - I'm not using their favoured 3-letter 'c'-word slur) being much more privileged than they are?

ArcaneWireless · 15/11/2023 16:26

Uncanny.

PronounssheRa · 15/11/2023 16:27

I judge any male, regardless of gender identity, who wants to get in a ring so they can hit a women around the head.

They know their advantages against women but still want to do it.

SophiaElise · 15/11/2023 16:27

Well done that woman!

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 15/11/2023 16:30

It's outrageous enough when it's a sport that involves speed, strength or stamina - of the kind that a male-bodied person will naturally have a far greater advantage; but to think that a male person is actually trying to demand that he be allowed to punch and beat up a woman, even though she has (unsurprisingly) made it very clear that she does not consent to this.

This is not the kind of attitude that any man with a semblance of dignity or respect would remotely entertain. Indeed, as stated upthread, you would expect them to refuse to even countenance it for a moment on a basic matter of principle, not stamp his feet and insist on it.

What kind of character must a man have to make him feel good about beating up a woman - and actually seeking a medal for it?

ArcaneWireless · 15/11/2023 16:30

PronounssheRa · 15/11/2023 16:27

I judge any male, regardless of gender identity, who wants to get in a ring so they can hit a women around the head.

They know their advantages against women but still want to do it.

Absolutely.

pyjamalife · 15/11/2023 16:31

This absolutely pisses me off.

Women will be losing their best years in their sports just to protest against something that should NOT be happening.

Way to fuck up our sex even more than the previous years of misogyny we clawed our way out of.

Fucking bravo.

A side note to recognise the impressive stand made by Bissonnette. Maybe if we shout loud enough, it won't take as long. Good on her, sacrificing her position for her safety. Although it's ridiculous that she was in that position.

Maybe the females need to start their own side contest just for them.

JL690 · 15/11/2023 16:36

Well done Bissonette. Men should not be boxing against women.

IdleAnimations · 15/11/2023 16:51

ArcaneWireless · 15/11/2023 16:26

Uncanny.

It’s always anime or porn.

Without fail. It’s vile/sinister when you realise that’s how they see being a woman.