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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Female boxer withdraws from fight with transwoman

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ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 14:27

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter/

'The Quebec Boxing Federation was reportedly aware of Walmsley’s biological sex, but justified the fight by stating they had chosen an appropriate referee for the match. Ultimately, Bissonnette says her decision to withdraw came down to safety.'

'Following Bissonnette’s withdrawal, Walmsley issued a statement to the press accusing her of “outing” him and warning that similar actions would have a negative impact on female athletes.'

CANADA: Female Boxer Withdraws From Competition After Being Matched Against Male Fighter - Reduxx

A female boxer withdrew from a provincial championship in Quebec after learning that her opponent was biologically male, leading to him winning the competition by default. Dr. Katia Bissonnette of Saguenay says she was matched against transgender fight...

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter

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BOOTS52PollyPrissyPants · 15/11/2023 20:14

Good this is what women need to do to call them out and to have our voices heard and let the men fight men or piss right off.

Do they want to fight women because they are not good enough to fight men or do they just want to fight women.

When did the world get so crazy and when did these men decide to go down this route. Let them get in their own lane. Shocking that this is happening and continues to happen as so many will not speak out.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 15/11/2023 20:27

the best policy for gender self-identification in sport was for athletes to “trust” each other

Cos no man in the history of the world ever has told a woman she can trust him then fucked her over for his own purposes, amirite?

God these trans women have no fucking idea what it is to actually live as a woman. Women lose any default trust in men before they are out of their teens.

FairFuming · 15/11/2023 20:30

If someone identifies as trans then thats fine by me but eroding the rights and safety of women and claiming its their right to do so is not acceptable. A Womans safety is more important then somones feelings being hurt because they don't feel accepted.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 15/11/2023 20:32

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/11/2023 15:00

I don't know how many people on here have done martial arts in mixed groups. I have, so has black-belt DH. The list of ways men are advantaged is long and scary. Reach alone; if DH and I extend our arms, he has a good few inches of reach on me, meaning that even if I could punch as hard as him, I couldn't connect.

I've seen the female black belts in his group. They are incredibly impressive, athletic and strong. They could never beat DH. Not on his worst day. And he'd never agree to fight them. Good martial artists are ethical. He was once at a meet where they couldn't find a black belt so he was fighting red belts. There was a long discussion beforehand about moves they wouldn't do, ways to minimise danger, how he would behave. Not pretend to be a red belt and pummel the other bloke.

I've also done martial arts in a mixed group. Even as 11-year-old children, all of us green belts (the third belt you earned in the discipline I was in, usually after 6-9 months of study), the boys were significantly advantaged. Just in the warm-ups, they had more strength and stamina.

And THEN they go through puberty.

Any woman who values her life should NEVER get in a ring with a man. Never.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 15/11/2023 20:39

"Let me beat you to a pulp, but I only fight people who are smaller and weaker than me and I insist that you must #bekind while I do it."
🤢
The deep-rooted misogyny of the fighting sports just keeps coming out over and over again (especially boxing) as they keep deferring on this issue and not taking a hard line. It really does nothing to challenge the stereotype about male boxers having a bad reputation when it comes to women.

vernatheraven · 15/11/2023 20:42

I am ex forces and boxed for my regiment.

We trained against men because as my trainer said "if you can stay up against a man you can definitely stay up against a women"

The men hated it and went easy on us. It was still hard and we still never ever won and were always hit harder than when sparing with women.

There are different fitness levels required between the sexes because we are built differently.

The different levels included the times on a 1.5 mile run, lifting a weight etc.

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/11/2023 20:54

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 15/11/2023 20:39

"Let me beat you to a pulp, but I only fight people who are smaller and weaker than me and I insist that you must #bekind while I do it."
🤢
The deep-rooted misogyny of the fighting sports just keeps coming out over and over again (especially boxing) as they keep deferring on this issue and not taking a hard line. It really does nothing to challenge the stereotype about male boxers having a bad reputation when it comes to women.

I was very lucky to have a husband and wife team training me and the man was a proper gentleman. Very hard on us with training, very aware that we were looking at using it in a different way to the men in the group. He wanted 'my girls' to be able to handle self-defence and taught us things that weren't in the manual. He expected the men to be respectful to us, him and the space at all times. Woe betide the new bloke who came in with any swagger. And this being a shitty bit of South London, there were a few.

I think boxing is going downhill and UFC is worse. Head injuries are not good for behaviour and there is a chicken and egg aspect to some heavyweight boxer's violence towards women which needs looked at.

Boiledbeetle · 15/11/2023 22:05

look at the height difference between a random man called Toby and some women who were working on gender integration with the Sustainable Development Investment Portfolio (SDIP) in Australia in 2018

Female boxer withdraws from fight with transwoman
Female boxer withdraws from fight with transwoman
MrsTerryPratchett · 15/11/2023 22:22

Boiledbeetle · 15/11/2023 22:05

look at the height difference between a random man called Toby and some women who were working on gender integration with the Sustainable Development Investment Portfolio (SDIP) in Australia in 2018

And the length of everyone's arms, which is a massive deal in boxing.

miri1985 · 15/11/2023 22:59

I don't get how having an "appropriate" referee would help I mean people have been seriously injured even with professional referees supervising bouts.

Would professional boxing sanction a match between Amir Khan and Tyson Fury if Tyson told Amir he could trust him and they got an "appropriate" referee?

Walmsley doesn't want the sunlight on this because its wrong and now its been highlighted, hopefully more women will be able to make an informed decision and the boxing federation will have to stand by their choice to put women in increased danger.

It makes me really proud that women are standing up by stepping away, it sucks that they have to refuse to compete in sports they love but they're highlighting the unfairness of this whole situation.

ArcaneWireless · 15/11/2023 23:03

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/11/2023 22:22

And the length of everyone's arms, which is a massive deal in boxing.

And the size of the hands.

JanesLittleGirl · 15/11/2023 23:09

OK. Yeah, of course I will fight you. And we agree that there should be reasonable adjustments. My reasonable adjustment is a Kalashnikov. Do you still want to play!

I can actually kill you with an assault weapon and you can actually kill me with your superior strength.

Gotta be fair innit?

caringcarer · 15/11/2023 23:44

Good for her. No reason at all why a woman would want to fight a biological male.

MrsGhastlyCrumb · 15/11/2023 23:53

Brilliant. Well, not brilliant as she should never have been out in that position. The consequences of fighting a male could be extremely serious though- career ending or worse. I hope Canada wakes up to this soon.

GoatsareGOAT · 16/11/2023 00:05

Surely the only #right referee would be the one that refused the match on safety grounds!

SunnieShine · 16/11/2023 08:30

"Female boxer withdraws from fight with MAN".

Well, of course she would.

ArthurbellaScott · 16/11/2023 09:32

SunnieShine · 16/11/2023 08:30

"Female boxer withdraws from fight with MAN".

Well, of course she would.

Yes, indeed. But if said man has declared he has some different kind of inner gender essence in the past couple of years, she is obliged to allow herself to be punched by him.

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WickedSerious · 16/11/2023 09:35

I'm still baffled by the idea that she 'outed' him.

Was everyone supposed to think he was some sort of strapping lass prior to his opponent declining the opportunity to be beaten to a pulp?

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Cosmosforbreakfast · 16/11/2023 18:09

Why don't these men campaign for a transwoman category instead of trying to force their way into women's sports, endangering women and taking wins from them? I don't see that anyone would have a problem with a separate category all of their own.

SirChenjins · 16/11/2023 18:13

Cosmosforbreakfast · 16/11/2023 18:09

Why don't these men campaign for a transwoman category instead of trying to force their way into women's sports, endangering women and taking wins from them? I don't see that anyone would have a problem with a separate category all of their own.

Because that would force them to admit what we all know - which is they are not women. Males invading spaces that they don’t own - plus ca change.

ArcaneWireless · 16/11/2023 19:39

I wonder how many men - who insist that they should be able to fight women - would still want to if they had to fight the world top ten boxers in their height/weight category first. You know, because of course someone would have matched that fairly.

Do you think that they would blindly trust the men to be fair and take into consideration that they were boxing someone way below their capabilities?

Book me for ringside seats.

Maaate · 16/11/2023 20:06

Just to add to some earlier posts, I box and the gym I go to has a teenagers class that I sometimes join in with when there's an odd number. Newby 14 year old boys with arms like pipe cleaners have enough power to really hurt when punching and could easily knock me out if they landed one properly

TrashedSofa · 17/11/2023 07:26

WickedSerious · 16/11/2023 09:35

I'm still baffled by the idea that she 'outed' him.

Was everyone supposed to think he was some sort of strapping lass prior to his opponent declining the opportunity to be beaten to a pulp?

I believe that's the way that argument usually works, yes.

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 17/11/2023 09:20

How does it even work with the weight categories? I'd have thought that most men would be significantly heavier than a woman, even of an apparently similar size - and so not a fair match, even leaving aside the stinking obvious.