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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Female boxer withdraws from fight with transwoman

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ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 14:27

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter/

'The Quebec Boxing Federation was reportedly aware of Walmsley’s biological sex, but justified the fight by stating they had chosen an appropriate referee for the match. Ultimately, Bissonnette says her decision to withdraw came down to safety.'

'Following Bissonnette’s withdrawal, Walmsley issued a statement to the press accusing her of “outing” him and warning that similar actions would have a negative impact on female athletes.'

CANADA: Female Boxer Withdraws From Competition After Being Matched Against Male Fighter - Reduxx

A female boxer withdrew from a provincial championship in Quebec after learning that her opponent was biologically male, leading to him winning the competition by default. Dr. Katia Bissonnette of Saguenay says she was matched against transgender fight...

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter

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Ffsnotaconference · 15/11/2023 16:58

The audacity of a biological male believing they have the right to fight women, without women being aware they are a biological male.

It’s beyond a fucking joke. The fact that they can’t see how ridiculous the ‘but they outed me’ claim is, says everything we need to know.

A biological male trying to fight and/or compete against women should be outed. No exceptions.

oakleaffy · 15/11/2023 16:59

This biological woman would be at great risk of fighting with an XY person.
Don’t blame her at all.

XY should fight XY

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/11/2023 17:03

In my 20s I did mixed sex Taekwondo for a short while. I really enjoyed the exercise, formations etc. What put me off was having to hold the kick pads (or whatever they’re called) whilst the men kicked them bloody hard. I used to be almost falling over every time and this is ultimately what made me give up.

Night409 · 15/11/2023 17:36

PronounssheRa · 15/11/2023 16:27

I judge any male, regardless of gender identity, who wants to get in a ring so they can hit a women around the head.

They know their advantages against women but still want to do it.

How else are they going to win.

They can’t win in the male category, so they find another way to win.

Even Caitlyn Jenner, one of the most famous trans women in the world, is against biological men competing with biological women.

There is a certain type of person who thinks it’s ok.
I highly doubt these are people who have genuine gender dysmorphia issues.

londonmummy1966 · 15/11/2023 17:37

Interesting that in one of the articles above he actually says "Equality..... requires men to recognise how their masculinity offers them relative advantages, and think of strategies to address that." and then allegedly fails to see that choosing to fight against biological women is a way of giving himself a "relative advantage". You couldn't make this stuff up.

ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 17:58

londonmummy1966 · 15/11/2023 17:37

Interesting that in one of the articles above he actually says "Equality..... requires men to recognise how their masculinity offers them relative advantages, and think of strategies to address that." and then allegedly fails to see that choosing to fight against biological women is a way of giving himself a "relative advantage". You couldn't make this stuff up.

Well, he's 'addressed' it by realising he can win in a fight?

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ErrolTheDragon · 15/11/2023 18:08

Even Caitlyn Jenner, one of the most famous trans women in the world, is against biological men competing with biological women.

That may be because Jenner was a genuinely world-class athlete who beat men in the decathlon - an event women can't even compete in at the Olympics! Jenner isn't a loser who needs to compete against women to win.

nepeta · 15/11/2023 18:14

IdleAnimations · 15/11/2023 16:51

It’s always anime or porn.

Without fail. It’s vile/sinister when you realise that’s how they see being a woman.

Actually, it is surprisingly often both anime combined with porn, based on what I have seen online.

A research project which needs to happen is to see how consuming lots of that combination affects young people's mental states and their views of what womanhood means. (I have seen someone state an anime girl as this person's transition goal looks.)

1982mommaof4 · 15/11/2023 18:16

Good for her, I think it's absolutely disgusting that women are out in these dangerous situations. If this continues it will completely ruin womens sport

gentlemum · 15/11/2023 18:45

It baffles me that ANYONE could think this is ok or safe or acceptable. I genuinely cannot see what argument could make this ok.

oakleaffy · 15/11/2023 18:53

My 13 yr old son once physically lifted me up like I was nothing.
The strength in XY's is very different compared to women.

A boxing match with an XY's longer reach, more powerful muscles that were formed during puberty would give a massive advantage in punch strength.

JamSandle · 15/11/2023 19:00

It's nice to see women standing up and being counted and now bowing down to these bullies.

SirChenjins · 15/11/2023 19:09

Good on her for taking a stand - she and all the other women who are refusing to bow down are incredibly brave. The fact that they are having to challenge these ridiculous decisions and the men who are invading every space that women have fought hard for is beyond normal comprehension.

EasternStandard · 15/11/2023 19:12

Why should she fight him

It’s beyond normal comprehension as pp says. A good phrase

Just looking at the image of him makes me feel how ridiculous, unsafe and unfair this is

Mintesso · 15/11/2023 19:20

ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 14:51

This is a political activist, keen on 'revolution' and anarchy, looking to fight women without warning them beforehand that he is male.

This is dangerous.

Yep. The world has plenty of men that enjoy hitting women. Giving them prizes for it is a whole new level of horror though.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 15/11/2023 19:23

accusing her of “outing” him and warning that similar actions would have a negative impact on female athletes

Is this the old bollocks that butch women might be accused of being men?

went on to assert that the best policy for gender self-identification in sport was for athletes to “trust” each other, and defer to coaches and policies in assumption that matches were made fairly

Trust a male who cheats and lies in order to hit women?

Always anime porn isn't it...

Thank fuck for the person who sent that text.

ZiriForGood · 15/11/2023 19:26

Good for her.

It is disgusting that someone would even consider letting them to fight each other without an official disclosure of the trans status.

UnremarkableBeasts · 15/11/2023 19:26

Maybe we should all be able to trust that biological men will recognise how utterly inappropriate it is for them to enter female competitions.

But apparently not. Or is that not the kind of trust Walmsley thinks matters?

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 15/11/2023 19:36

Why should she fight him

Surely it's entirely her prerogative as to whether or not she accepts any fight. If it was against another female of a similar size/weight and age, her refusal would just make her look like she lacked confidence in her abilities; but anybody who would judge her for that in turning down a fight with this person must have extremely limited cognitive skills.

If you would never dream of having two men like David Haye and Amir Khan fighting each other, why would anybody seriously think that any mixed-sex bout would be remotely fair or safe?

MsRosley · 15/11/2023 19:47

Kudos to this woman. Absolute shame on the people who think a woman should allow herself to be beaten up in service to a male ego.

AvacadoFieldsForever · 15/11/2023 19:55

What is this “trust” bull?

Women should trust the lack of evidence and science?

Women should trust the governing body that hasn’t even looked at the issue in any meaningful way just bent over?

Women should trust that people who could be bullied, fired, arrested for saying the wrong thing are going to speak up at any point?

Women should trust a person who is lying to their face, erasing history and falsifying documents?

Fucking cheek.

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FantasticElasticBand · 15/11/2023 20:09

Ahhhhh come on now folks - there was going to be the ‘right’ kind referee there.

#right kind of referee

WickedSerious · 15/11/2023 20:11

FantasticElasticBand · 15/11/2023 20:09

Ahhhhh come on now folks - there was going to be the ‘right’ kind referee there.

#right kind of referee

Exactly.

What more could a girl want?

WickedSerious · 15/11/2023 20:14

ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 20:03

Voila, c'est l'interview:

'Comments are turned off'.

That's a shame.