Women's rights general conversations - Thread 7

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 6.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Interesting day today. Two lots of training, same group of trainees for both - sitting in the same order, different trainers. Almost equal split men/women. I was 2/3 of the way along the row.

Both sessions started with 'introduce yourself - name, role and bit about your experience/knowledge of the subject'.

First session - everyone did exactly that, no mention of pronouns.

Second session, the trainers added an '(and pronouns if you want)' to the name part of the introduction slide. Everyone before me stated pronouns - all exactly the ones you'd expect. I didn't. Nobody after me did.

@BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn Second session, the trainers added an '(and pronouns if you want)' to the name part of the introduction slide. Everyone before me stated pronouns - all exactly the ones you'd expect. I didn't. Nobody after me did.

That's interesting but unsurprising. I wonder how many of the people before you would have stated "their pronouns", had the first person not started it?

Also interesting was that none of the trainers - who untroduced themseleves before giving the 'what to say' instructions - stated theirs.

Arf! Oh, and ditto at "untroduced", which should be incorporated into the language with the meaning "to introduce oneself without stating one's pronouns".

A DM article on Rev Randall's appeal. I think there was a thread but I can't find it

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12799113/dr-bernard-randall-trent-college-police-lgbt-brexit.html

Just noticed this in the Times

Interesting tangent, to which I am (unsurprisingly, given my Wrong Side of History taint) inclined to agree.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4953577-transactivists-may-actually-have-doomed-us-all?

I wasn't sure where to put this article. It's the Guardian writing for its US readership again

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/28/florida-students-protest-trans-athletes-monarch-high-school

This bit🙄

The family of the girl, identified only by her initials, DN, lost a legal challenge earlier this month to the anti-trans Fairness in Women’s Sports Act. The bill, signed by the hard-right Republican governor DeSantis in 2021, bans female student athletes competing on girls and women’s teams if their birth-assigned gender was male.

<retrieves eyballs from under sofa>

Even for the Graun, that's ridiculous. Surely that will have shoved at least a few of their remaining readers up a mountain.

Birth-assigned gender.

Hmkay.

OK, I know DeSantis is an awful shit, but do they ever stop and think for a moment?

God, I wish they would just stop assigning sex wrong at birth.

Yeah, not very good at it, are they?

If only there were some sort of test, or visual clue.

It's a pickle!

It's 'cos babies don't have much hair when they're born. Otherwise the midwife could assign the long-haired ones as female and the short-haired ones as male.

I don't know if this deserves a thread, I've missed any previous mention of it

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/12/01/menopause-hormones-crime-sentencing-prison-offenders/

https://archive.ph/qby26 archive link

If I understand correctly men can plead low testosterone as a mitigating factor and women can plead the menopause?

On a completely separate issue, I'm trying to put a gang knitting circle together, while there are still some banks with branches open on the High Street. No particular reason😉🤫.

If I understand correctly men can plead low testosterone as a mitigating factor and women can plead the menopause?

No, it's confusingly written but I think the whole men part is an analogy. It's only menopause, not the mythical 'andropause' that is being suggested as sentencing mitigation.

I wondered if I'd misunderstood that bit. Probably menopausal 😁.

Where to start...

Not exactly Avengers Assemble. What have they got against safeguarding?

RMW's petulant sniping against Michael Foran on Twitter today has been quite the thing to see. Unfortunately, RMW can't actually seem to muster any, you know, arguments or evidence to support RMW's position. Unlike MF, whose thread points to actual bits of law. Maybe that's cheating? twitter.com/moira_robin/status/1730570928671654173

I vaguely recall being told by a TRSOHer that "safeguarding" is a "transphobic dog whistle" for Bad People.

Interesting article in today's New York Times. Worth reading the comments.

www.nytimes.com/2023/12/01/opinion/politics/life-without-regret.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Zero discussion in the article of safeguarding issues, and very little in the comments.