Women's rights general conversations - Thread 7

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 6.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

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I flailed around with various molluscs before I hit upon the right one!

I didn't understand the first question and was most upset that my first guess of penguin was incorrect. I gave up after that!

7 guesses for nautilus, smug mode!

It took me 10. I think I'll probably stick with chronoguessing - that's quite addictive enough.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4760758-chronophoto-guess-the-year?

Oh, that's a good one. Although I'm on a family history facebook group that's 90% 'when was this photo taken?' questions so I already do quite a bit of that.

I'm going to post a Grauniad article, it's about young boys being radicalised by the likes of Andrew Tate. It's actually rather good.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/01/there-are-some-really-extreme-views-young-people-face-onslaught-of-misogyny-online

Ben was 13 when he fell down one of the internet’s many rabbit holes. YouTube became a source of comfort: when he wasn’t outside mountain biking, he was killing time watching videos that seemed to offer him easy solutions to his unhappiness.

While some of the videos began fairly benignly, he says they began to prey on his anxieties and channel them into misogyny. “I was pubescent, insecure about my body image,” says Ben, now 21 and studying in London. “Like other boys around me I was feeling frustrated. I started seeing videos asking questions about why men are unhappy.”

For a couple of years in his early teens, Ben held views that he has now done a “complete 180” away from. He would watch videos with titles such as “Feminist destroyed in argument” and feel vindicated in his positions. He now sees that those clips only showed a partial view. “I felt ‘I’m the rational one here’. It started snowballing from there.”

In the end, it was his father who pulled him out before he got in too deep. During long drives alone, the two of them would have “painful but constructive” discussions about his views. “In the car there was no opportunity to walk away, so I had to challenge how I was thinking about issues. My dad pointed me to systemic reasons rather than the easy answers I got off the internet. I was lucky that I had a strong paternal figure to do that for me – I’ve got other friends who don’t have someone to pull them out.”

Whilst that article didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, it was still depressing to read WTF is going to happen to our young people?

Well, I saw it as having some positives for the young man, perhaps he can influence his friends. We hear and read a lot about this and nobody seems to have come up with a solution to these boys and the attitudes they get imbued with.

I might have done better than 7 but I keep defaulting to badger.

😃Have you been listening to The Archers? Or rather the (much more entertaining) Cider Shed podcast.

No? They have badgers on the Archers? Badger default, it's a cross I have to bear.

This sounds good for IWD

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/01/101-women-narrate-history-women-objects-audiobook

I don't know what all 101 items are or who the 101 women are who will each read one. I remain hopeful, but I fear the worst. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a GRC and/or a tw in there.

Sorry, I seem to be hogging the thread but this is interesting and it's an appeal

https://thecritic.co.uk/grossly-offensive-censorship/

This is an interesting thread, if you haven't seen it.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5019739-to-close-baby-toddler-group-due-to-one-mum-with-a-fake-bump?page=1

There's nowt so queer as folk!

Well that's not barking at all. /s.

Everything about that is so wrong and the fetish is pretty disgusting.

I've just fome back from Sheffield. While I was there I noticed Onjali Rauf (GC children's author) will be having a booksigning at Sheffield's Waterstones on 9th March iirc. Her book The Boy at the Back of the Class is being performed in Sheffield 5th-9th March (can't remember the name of the theatre). I may never visit the city again but if anyone will be there I thought you might like to know.

I know she was targeted by tras for, amongst other stuff, signing a letter. I think there was a thread or two but I can't find them.

Also in Sheffield, I noticed some weird iteration of the progress flag flying over the children's hospital 😠

Full cast of narrators:
Gillian Anderson
Katy Hessel
Anita Rani
Jackie Kay
Len Pennie
Annabelle Hirsch
Shirley Manson
Rebecca Solnit
Sandi Toksvig
Marina Hyde
Naomi Shimada
Harriet Walter
Celia Imrie
Kate Manne
Margaret Atwood
Janina Ramirez
Doon Mackichan
Helen Mirren
Elif Shafak
Kate Mosse
Miriam Margolyes
Val McDermid
Caitlin Moran
Dolly Alderton
Olivia Colman
Sasha Lane
Adjoa Andoh
Elizabeth Acevedo
Sue Perkins
Ece Temelkuran
Mary Ann Sieghart
Alison Steadman
Minnie Driver
Rebecca Hall
Krista Tippett
Patience Agbabi
Michelle Newell
Jeanette Winterson
Geraldine James
Sinead Cusack
Tiya Miles
Crystal Clarke
Louise Brealey
Leila Slimani
Helena Kennedy
Samin Nosrat
Anna Holmes
Michelle Gomez
India Knight
Natascha McElhone
Lauren Elkin
Kate Winslet
Helena Bonham Carter
Sylvia Whitman
Noma Dumezweni
Meera Syal
Carey Mulligan
Denise Gough
Jacqueline Wilson
Siri Hustvedt
Gaby Wood
Sophie Hunter
Lisa Kainde Diaz
Annabel Mullion
Sharleen Spiteri
Jennifer Clement
Julia Gillard
Jude Kelly
Kerry Fox
Ruthie Rogers
Maggie Smith
Hanna Schygulla
Kübra Gümüsay
Erica Wagner
Sandra Huller
Jodie Whittaker
Nicola Sturgeon
Juliet Stevenson
Sally Phillips
Angelica Houston
Lisa Dwan
Ruth Ozeki
Joanna Lumley
Cynthia Erivo
Eleanor Updegraff
Sinéad Gleeson
Salena Godden
Lili Taylor
Mariella Frostrup
Katie Kitamura
Saffron Hocking
Tahmima Anam
Shirin Neshat
Martha Wainwright
Christiane Amanpour

Ugggh

Nicola Sturgeon

Nicola Sturgeon.

hollow laugh

They're just trolling now, surely.

Anita Rani? Really?

Sturgeon! Ffs!

Thank you. I hope that was just a cut and past?

Oh god yes! I mean I know I like to be helpful, but I have my limits.

I don't recognise all the names.

Has anyone looked to see if they are all women women and not the male type?

I'm afraid I got stuck on seeing wee Nic and lost the will.

Please let it be101 actual women

Just seen this article in the DM. Fwiw let them have a pro-life group if they want, the fact that most of them are male is...predictable. Except, they say they had six women. In the photo I count five definite females and one person in the middle who's broad shouldered, with big hands, who couldn't possibly be in that awkward curtsey to disguise his, sorry, her height. After all skirt and lippy so has to be a woman 🤔.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13145995/Controversial-pro-life-society-University-Manchester-founded-male-president-opposes-abortion-shares-photo-official-meeting-event-met-thousands-protesters.html

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · Yesterday 08:28

This is an interesting thread, if you haven't seen it.

Good bloody grief. What an absolute shame that the group is closing, because one oddball can't control his weirdness, or respect the wishes and boundaries of those women.

On the speaker's list, I initially read India Knight as Willyby...