Women's rights general conversations - Thread 7

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 6.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

I had a horrible* boyfriend who got his drugs from Camden. He always told me not to walk next to him because none of the dealers would approach if I was there.

*I didn't realise how much of a dickhead† he was at the time. The naïveté of young women, eh?

†He's dead now.

Lucky. I look alternative so I get offered drugs often on the rare occasions I go out

It's so unfair! Nobody has ever offered me drugs, except in the context of sharing at parties about 50 years ago. But I did get stopped in the street by a lad young enough to be my grandson (or - around here - great grandson) during lockdown and asked if I had any weed, which cheered me up no end.

Fine @StephanieSuperpowers @Snowypeaks @Gonners want some drugs? I can do you weed, mushrooms or oxy.

For any police reading i am of course joking. For any one else I do good rates, decent quality, reliable sources. How else do you think I live my life of Luxury. Just look for a shifty bloke on the corner of your road in ten minutes. Tell him your from mumsnet and he'll do you a discount.

Arf @Boiledbeetle I'll have oxymoron, please. The cheque's in the post.

On a serious note, Yulia Navalnaya is an exceptional woman:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68337790

Thought I should highlight this excellent tweet by JKR -

'The trans activist outrage that ensues on here whenever I share my belief that jailed women shouldn't be used as validation tools or emotional support props for trans-identified male sex offenders is as revealing as it's predictable.

Such activists can't bring themselves to concede that a man who was convicted of harming women/girls ought not to be incarcerated with the demographic to whom he is a proven danger, because if they do, all their stock arguments ('no sexual predator would bother to pretend to be trans', 'no trans woman has ever harmed a woman in a women's only space', 'there is no danger in making all single sex spaces unisex') are exposed as the lies they are. If they admit that even a single man isn't a woman because he says he is, the entire edifice of gender identity ideology crumbles. This leaves activists who rely on bullying and slogans with nowhere to go but 'you hate all trans people', 'so you're saying all trans people are rapists' and, of course, 'you are causing a trans genocide.'

I think this particular issue also causes conniptions because it threatens the activists' self image. These are people who preen themselves on their kindness and virtue, so acknowledging the truth - that they're indifferent to vulnerable women being assaulted or traumatised - threatens the idea they have of themselves. They therefore double down. The prisoners complaining aren't really afraid of rape or voyeurism or violence at all, they say. They're 'not exactly delicate flowers', as one self-identified empath put it.

If you support putting violent and sexually predatory men into women's prisons, you are knowingly forcing those women to live in fear of, and, in some proven cases, to suffer abuse that many of them will have endured pre-incarceration. You are not kind. You are not righteous. Women have the basic human right not to suffer cruel and unusual punishment. #WomensRightsAreHumanRights'

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1759940576340770987?s=20

Yep, that's it. Women prisoners to to prison as a punishment in itself. It's very cruel to force other dangers and indignities on them.

Oh FFS!

https://twitter.com/GoldsmithsSU/status/1760280949336486290?

https://twitter.com/GoldsmithsSU/status/1760280951416893843?

Emily, Tiffany, Cecé and Laurel as poster'girls' for This Girl Can.

(The Cecé quote, in particular, really doesn’t say what they think it does.)

Unsurpringly, there are a lot of hidden replies.

Also, it says they are showcasing transwomen 'as part of' This Girl Can week.

But these appear to be their only tweets on the topic.

So part = all.

Laurel is now 46, and perhaps a little on the mature side for a girl?

<on edit: harsh, perhaps, but fair>

Laurel identifies as 18, you monster.

I’m a big fan of Rachel Rooney who has been treated absolutely appallingly by the children’s publishing industry. Here she asks Google Gemini about her books:

https://x.com/rooneyrachel/status/1762110073399054532?s=61&t=vrfh73NvYySozkuIkLckQw

The bias is shocking, and is absolutely a women’s rights issue.

Hilarious. I cannot understand how anyone interprets that book as anything other than utterly uncontroversial and positive for children.

This is the text of My Body is Me. It's a lovely book with beautiful illustrations - my wee one loves reading it and pointing out all the details. My favourite bit is the page with 'my body can act like a low flying plane, a mermaid, a dragon, one part of a train (toot toot!)' because it's fun to read and flows over the page with the illustrations.

How anyone can characterise it as anything but a wonderful children's book is beyond me.

There's a potentially interesting discussion happening at UCL on 26.03.24:

Join us on UCL’s Bloomsbury campus for this interactive panel event discussing the topic: Disagreeing Well in an Online World

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/events/events/2024/mar/disagreeing-well-online-world?utmsource=Bloomsbury%20Theatre&utmmmedium=email&utmcampaign=33556388LCCOS%20newsletter%20February%202024&utm_content=Disagreeing%20Well%20in%20an%20Online%20World%20event%20page

I honestly don't understand how even the most rabid tra could have a problem with My Body is Me.

I've just read this excellent article by Helen Joyce

https://thecritic.co.uk/restoring-sanity-takes-time/

I can't believe it's only been five years.

I honestly don't understand how even the most rabid tra could have a problem with My Body is Me.

Perhaps they're all like Layla Moran. Just as their special Soul Vision enables them to see the innate-most-oppressed-vulnerable-pink/blue essence trapped inside each wrong body, it also allows them to see the secret evil tainted anima lurking within the grotesque old hags who don't embrace the true faith.

IIJM, or is it Pinniped Protection Week? They are all over FWR these days, rendering valuable threads virtually unreadable (your tolerances levels may vary), the Labour and Self-ID thread being the most recent example.

Month, rather than week, I think.

Eternity, possibly.

Which reminds me - totally off topic, but for as we have a few biologists here - don't you know https://metazooa.com/game?code=&guess=# ?

It like Wordle, Worldle etc but with cladistics.

Well, aurocomplete mangled that one! I should know to never post without my glasses on.

I got it to work @BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn and it could be dangerously addictive for me! Got my first one in 10 guesses!

7 <smug> but I'd just been reading a thread about slugs.

13 - quite unreasonably pleased with myself, because it's 56 years since I failed O-level biology.