Butches against transpohobia

[Catsanfan]

I saw a woman wearing a T shirt saying 'Butches against transphobia' today. It astounds me that some lesbians would think that way. I wonder what she would do if presented with a penis on a date?

We’re literally disputing it right here on this thread (but @DadJoke apparently can’t see the words on the screen in front of his face).

You can see the clear sex-based thinking at work here.

DadJoke is on a women's forum, copy -and-pasting the same post over and over, without reading any of our responses. Because we're female.

They're female words, Spider!

You can see the clear sex-based thinking at work here.

DadJoke is on a women's forum, copy -and-pasting the same post over and over, without reading any of our responses. Because we're female.

Yep.

Spider?

It’s MAAM!

You might be on to something here tho, maybe the reason TRAs have concluded that most women are fine with men-with-lady-feelz-in-the-ladles-lav is because female words are invisible to entitled men, and female voices are inaudible to entitled men?

We need to invent a gadget like that sound effect that makes teenagers disperse, only one that wards of penis-people.

We need to invent a gadget like that sound effect that makes teenagers disperse, only one that wards of penis-people.

That would be amazing!

Are there any blokes about who can communicate with Dadjoke?

<puts on manly voice>

DID YOU SEE THE POST FROM THE EHRC DADJOKE. ITS UPTHREAD.

I'm happy to identify as a bloke - I'm missing a penis but I think otherwise I'm just like any other bloke

Did that work? Boomy enough?

Although as a bloke, I think dadjoke is letting the side down - his name is appropriate

as a man and a father I want to support women and protect my daughters from the harm of other men

That could be very interesting. If gender is real, Dadjoke will listen to you!

I'm happy to identify as a bloke - I'm missing a penis but I think otherwise I'm just like any other bloke

DadJoke believes in self ID, so you should be fine. You can change back to identifying as a woman in a quarter of an hour, both these identities are equally valid.

Can I now pee standing up? Cause that would be handy.

If you will it, Arabella, so it will be. That's how this all works.

Not terribly well, but as a man I don't care if I miss

What we are experiencing now is called testimonial injustice.

Sometimes we allocate credibility in ways that are unfair, unreasonable or outright harmful. Beginning in the 20th Century, Black and female philosophers started pointing out that women, people of colour, people who spoke with an accent, and people who bore visible markers of poverty were disbelieved at far higher rates than the general population. Because of existing prejudices against these people, some ethicists posit, they are being systematically disbelieved when they speak about things they, in fact, are reliable experts about. This is what philosophers term “a credibility deficit”. People could experience a credibility deficit when they speak about elements of their own experience, like what it was like to be a woman in domestic servitude.

Yes, I do want to stop a small group of male people from using toilets for the opposite sex.

Using toilets for members of the opposite sex is not a right.

Why do you continue to ignore what the law actually is in the UK even when people have very kindly spoon-fed it to you?

It is not a right. It's a violation of women's rights, if anything.

I'm reminded of this cartoon from over 30 years ago.

@DadJoke

Gender critical people (not women in general) want to remove those rights. You are one of them.

I ignore whether it's really a "right" here.

Just pointing out that it is "women in general" that are against it in the UK, and not just gender critical women.

Not all of them of course, but a substantial percentage, and you do get different results if you specify intact males.

Erm, hello.

Man here.

@DadJoke What you are saying about the law in the UK isn't actually quite correct, mate.

In fact, what some of these ladies are saying is true. Trans women can be excluded from women only spaces where doing so is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

Toilets, changing rooms, rape support groups and domestic violence shelters are specifically mentioned in the legislation and/or the guidance as situations where this would be appropriate.

Yo Mark.

Nice blokechat.

Speaking as a bloke. who has just pissed all over the floor

These um ... bitches ... have a point dudejoke. Even the EHRC says so and it got written by actual real men people.

<swings cock experimentally>