Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 8

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language - This witness did not give evidence.

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

Thread 7
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4922765-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-7

Judge not going to pencil in a remedies hearing atm as there is so much to go through.

Reserved judgment (obvs). No point in asking c dates for result. Bye bye everyone and thank you.

Everyone thanking everyone else for getting through the case in time.

And I think we're done. No indication as to when the judgment will be made, sadly.

I think, considering we can't read the closing statements and are not Barristers, we've all done pretty well.

Everyone going home. JP looks like a parakeet which has flown in, in her bright patterned top compared to everyone else's black.

I like the way the Judge says "Justin, you can let the observers out now". It always sounds like we're being released into the wild.

I think ickky deserves the cheese hamper, thanks for all your work

Copied from TT

J Thank you. Also re victimisation claim, I'm not sure if the WG or indiv employees of the OU, and hence the OU, that were the victimiser? Trying to understand who u feel
BC Yr right that Miss Molloy made that decision. It doesnt matter to me and the R doesnt take a statuatory

BC I'm saying both, and I dont have a positive case. I dont think anyone else took respon for that decision so u might conclude it's her, and I'm happy for u to ultimately decide. It was part of the WG either way.
J They're all my Qs. Thank you for all yr submissions.

J There's a lot to get through so I don't want to suggest when an decision might be made so I don't think we should look at dates for a possible remedy meeting at this point.
BC Thank you to the panel for just about getting us through in time
J Asking about the bundles being left

Just an anxious wait, now.

Isn't there an ET still awaiting judgement from ages ago?

I bet Justin has just heaved a huge sigh of relief. 😃

TT commentary

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1715351795088695455.html

Thank you @ickky for all the threads, and TT commentary

😂 He's just praying there are no more GC cases at Watford.

J Asking about the bundles being left

Legal speak for "Shift all of that cr@p. I don't want it left here for the cleaner."?

If Jo ever reads this.

I hope you know of all the support you have here. I'm sure we are all wishing for a positive result for you and for all those who comes after. Best of wishes and thank you so much for being so brave.

Thanks @ickky for all your hard work, & everyone else for just being you. I finally caught up with a thread last night, reading through quickly, & it was like being in a room of wonderful women chatting away.

Thank you @ickky for the threads and recaps, and to all for comments and cheese-related conversation.

I have learned much, both legally and dairy-ally.

I also want to thank @Mmmnotsure for giving us a proper running commentary throughout. Thank you

I think we all pray for that.

Thank you so much to everyone who has kept us updated and entertained.

Thank you all.

Thank you all, and especially ickky and Jo herself

What a ride, now time for me at least to calm down, get my blood pressure under control. Itll probably be a bloody long wait for the end result.
Also gonna start saving up for in case it goes to round 2 and more planting required. If it doesnt need a round 2 then the money saved will go to a different garden.

Yes thanks for all the threads and postings, Ickky. It's been very informative and fun to read all the comments too. Here's hoping for a positive outcome for Jo (and perhaps a bit of hope that certain people in the OU will realise that they've taken the wrong path).

Yes, thanks to all, and best of luck to Jo.