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Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 2

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ickky · 06/10/2023 15:32

Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

CW - Chris Williams, Senior Lecturer History
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SE - Sarah Earle, Prof of Medical Sociology, Director HWSRA 2016-22
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

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JoIsBraverThanIAm · 11/10/2023 09:25

hmm, is that not right? Today was the first time I interacted with a human (again, just to confirm my IRL name) and I have the same experience. Ah well, we'll see.

HarpQuartet · 11/10/2023 09:26

Ok, I'll sit tight

Chrysanthemum5 · 11/10/2023 09:26

Thanks @ickky I'd forgotten about the early start

GCITC · 11/10/2023 09:27

I have to say I'm rather worried for the schedule.

It's day 8 of 15 and we're only on witness 3 of 20 😐

JoIsBraverThanIAm · 11/10/2023 09:30

BC doesn't have to prove that they all contributed to the harrassment, though, does he? I could imagine that the point might come where he might just say "no questions for this witness" through a bunch of them? Though I suppose that might be dangerous if their statements contain a lot of falsehoods or the reexamination lets them say a bunch of rubbish? Not sure how these things work - I have to say quite apart from the importance of these cases, watching how the tribunals work is fascinating.

VWdieselnightmare · 11/10/2023 09:33

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 10/10/2023 19:24

Catching up on this afternoon's TT coverage. Love BC's example of a completely non-controvertial lecture topic being 'the delightfulness of cats'.

But I hate cats — nasty scratchy things that make me itch and sneeze...

Chrysanthemum5 · 11/10/2023 09:37

Is anyone in?

ickky · 11/10/2023 09:39

nope

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 11/10/2023 09:39

Still WFTCHTJ

HarpQuartet · 11/10/2023 09:39

no

GCITC · 11/10/2023 09:39

LipbalmOrKnickers · 11/10/2023 09:39

Still WFTCHTJ

Grin
CriticalCondition · 11/10/2023 09:40

Nope.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/10/2023 09:40

Perhaps they're having a conflab?

LipbalmOrKnickers · 11/10/2023 09:41

You'd think so, but it's more likely they've just forgotten about us again!

HarpQuartet · 11/10/2023 09:41

I must be peckish because I read conflab as cornflake

HarpQuartet · 11/10/2023 09:43

I'm in!

LipbalmOrKnickers · 11/10/2023 09:43

In now.

CriticalCondition · 11/10/2023 09:43

In, ish.

JoIsBraverThanIAm · 11/10/2023 09:44

It said Welcome to the c- WFTCHTJ :-( ... oh, here we are for real.

Helleofabore · 11/10/2023 09:44

Hearing delayed

Chrysanthemum5 · 11/10/2023 09:44

Got in then kicked out and now in again. Hearing delayed apparently

GCITC · 11/10/2023 09:45

Have we started on time at all this hearing?

LipbalmOrKnickers · 11/10/2023 09:45

Clerk announcing hearing delayed today, as soon as judge is ready we'll be let in.

JoIsBraverThanIAm · 11/10/2023 09:45

I think we started on time yesterday, didn't we?

ickky · 11/10/2023 09:47

I think after IF today it will be Dr Downes and Dr Drake.

I would have thought BC would take a while with Dr Downes though.

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