Trans: the new ideology of the ruling class (article)

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/25/trans-the-new-ideology-of-the-ruling-class/

It's illuminating how the purported radical feminist believes in and places such weight on regressive, outdated, sexist stereotypes. Feminist? Radical? Not in a million years.

Men, according to them = big, muscly, hairy. What are the men who do not fit these macho stereotypes then? Fish perhaps?

Most notable is how this purported radical feminist puts the discomfort of transwomen (who are indisputably male, i.e. men whatever their presentation) above women - transwomen feeling uncomfortable in the toilets, changing rooms, etc., etc., designed for their sex - Oh no that would never do. Women feeling discomfort? Fuck them they can stay at home.

Straight out of the horses mouth - women know your place, know you don't count except for what men say you count for. Radical? Feminist? My arse.

Great post

Great post

I don't know about anyone else but I am eternally grateful to @fionamattel. Their systematic, incremental, building block approach has completely demolished the argument that transwomen are women. They must be an absolute shoe-in for the Kathleen Stock Trans Debunker of the Year award.

Sorry, that should have been the Kathleen Stock Gender Debunker of the Year.

https://twitter.com/Spacecrafting76/status/1705541936298316213

Here is the video used to 'train' civil servants.

Oh, sorry, that's just a clip.

Here is the video:

Radical? Feminist? My arse.

Indeed.

The @fionamattel character was being deliberately inflammatory, trying to provoke intemperate deletable replies, so I bit my lip/typing finger and admired other people’s calm measured posts instead. Well done everyone!

Absolutely this.

Choose to define women according to stereotypes rather than biological sex if you must.

Tell women that the safety, comfort and dignity of biological males who wish to use women's toilets is more important than their own safety, comfort and dignity, and that if they object to sharing these spaces with said biological males they can always just stay home, if that is what you believe.

But these beliefs are completely incompatible with being any kind of feminist.

Unless of course you have redefined feminism to mean "putting male people first", just like you have redefined female to include male and progressive to mean regressive.

If you have redefined feminism to mean its polar opposite then that of course means that members of the childbearing sex, i.e. the original female people, no longer have an equality movement to fight for their own equal rights and emancipation, and they must go right back to the beginning and start again from scratch. But first they must come up with a word for themselves, and somehow simultaneously get all members of the childbearing sex in the English speaking world to use it about themselves, whilst somehow ensuring that members of the sperm producing sex are not allowed to start using it about themselves.

What an enormous obstacle you have just put in the way of half the global population's ability to name themselves and fight for their own interests.

It's almost starting to look like that is the whole point of this.

These people who "just need to pee" but cannot possibly do so in the company of their own sex are not victims of the patriarchy; they and their "allies" are the latest instruments of it.

Depriving the colonised of their own language and beliefs was not in the playbook of the British Empire, which did not want to stir up trouble so mostly left people's beliefs and customs alone. Exceptions? Suttee (burning a widow to death on her husband's funeral pyre). Definite protection? The treaties of 1763 guaranteeing that colonists in the American colonies would not cross the Appalachians and take native lands (broken by the US and the cause of the Revolutionary War).

Did the British not ban the speaking of the Irish language in the 17th century?

Really? You have never seen a woman or girl half naked cleaning themselves off of either blood, food or baby/children's vomit?

I went into the pub toilets two months ago and ran into a woman with her shirt off drying it under the hand dryer. It is not an unusual sight.

Adding to Janes experience, I spent more than 12 months with a pushchair jammed in public toilets while I had to use the toilet. Often that was with flooding periods. As I walked to the high street, I had no option but to use the toilets there before I walked home and the pushchair was loaded with baby, nappies and groceries.

I have witnessed this quite often around where I live. It is not unusual for women to be without any other person to look after their children while going to the toilet.

If I was still in this situation, should I have to accept the male gaze as they went past? Because it was humiliating enough to be viewed by women who had some empathy.

What about when I had to take my mother for an urgent toilet stop when I couldn't get access to the accessible toilet and she was in a wheelchair? Have you ever had to negotiate a wheelchair in a typical toilet cubicle while making sure an elderly women doesn't topple off the toilet?

Should my mother have had to endure a male walking past?

What about the women who miscarry in toilets? or have severe morning sickness? Or do you think that this doesn't happen because you have never witnessed it? I have witnessed it time and time again. Why should any of those women be subject to having a male in their presence when they are feeling so vulnerable and need privacy but at the least have to endure other women?

Your breezy Likewise! posted last night seems to indicate that you have no fucking idea what women need to use toilet's for and how exposed they can be to people's view.

I can only assume that you are one of those privileged enough to have never had to use a toilet for any thing other than the peeing you jeered at women last night in numerous posts. Well done you for being so very considerate of women's needs.

Fuck!

You have no idea what women use the toilet's for and you declare yourself a 'radical feminist' ... err... you can make all the declarations you want. However, I think there is a huge distance from what you support and 'radical feminist'. Not even in the ball park.

and banned us from using our legal system including our inheritance laws, banned us from practicing our chosen religion, banned us from having schools or colleges, forcibly moved the upper and managerial class to marginal land with attendant disruption of society.

Bit of a sidetrack on this thread, but the British colonial, later imperial project, was all about depriving its victims of language and beliefs wherever it was carried out.

I can only assume that this poster has never experience period flooding and has no concept of what is involved in cleaning up.

It is remarkable. Absolutely stark the complete lack of awareness. I know that some women only ever have light periods, and never could conceive what 'flooding' periods involve, but at least many of those are open to understanding.

Fuck knows that they must never have spoken to friends about 'period dramas', and god help any daughters who might end up with heavy periods. Because there is no awareness or understanding being shown with this poster.

Apparently, a 'flooding issue' must mean that blood doesn't leak at all onto clothes. That blood is not literally gushing as soon as you go to stand up so it runs down legs. No... it must only ever be a neat and tidy flow. And that is even if the fucking door in the cubicle even fucking locks.

Gosh, I would love to have had periods that were reliably light and never experienced flooding in my life. Never had any leaks. Never been caught out. Or maybe some women always carry a spare change of clothes around with them, just in case. Spare underwear, spare outer wear. I am sure many women and girls would wish to have light and easy to deal with periods as well. I know that I am not alone.

Or maybe, just maybe, some posters believe that we should self exclude if we don't want male people to see us in such states. That is it. We should avoid going anywhere on those days... oh... yes.... mine were so unreliable too that I would never have left the fucking house.

But apparently a radical feminist would just tell other women to get over it and suck up any discomfort for the sake of a male person's wants.

Into the 20th century children were beaten in Welsh schools if they were caught speaking Welsh instead of the much better, progressive, correct, right side of History English.

These days they're punished and shamed for stating facts and reality. Or refusing to take their clothes off in front of a boy who requires it and has been allocated special privileges over other children.

Colonialism normally involves controlling language and punishing people into fearful compliance.

Or maybe, just maybe, some posters believe that we should self exclude if we don't want male people to see us in such states.

That is exactly what they are saying and what they want plus then they put the blame at the door of those self excluding for self excluding.

Gotta prioritise those men at all costs, gotta keep those men happy - patriarchy and misogyny on crack.

Deep dyed in the wool misogynist claims to be a feminist, a radical feminist, fighting for women's rights there is a special circle of hell for them.

radical meninist more like

Exactly.

Indeed Dean. I have seen that type of discussion and the declaration of being a 'feminist' from male people who sometimes visit this board before. It is not unusual. The complete lack of awareness of the reality of flooding periods, of caring duties, of being vomited on or having breasts literally explode with milk is very clear.

Oh, yes @fionamattel . There is another thing I have had to do quite often in a female toilet. Clean up leaked, no... exploded, breast milk when I have had to leave my infant for the day. In fact, I have had to fucking express milk in the toilet with a noisy machine. I really don't think that I should be subjected to the rhetoric of males such as Montgomery and co who mock female toilet habits and sounds on social media. Can you fucking imagine?

They would have a fucking field day describing the sounds that come from expressing. Or.... do you think that breast feeding women should also just, you know, self exclude if they have concerns about privacy?

And don't leave the fucking house if they might leak breast milk all over their shirts. OR. I know... we should just fucking wear that breast milk all day and smell if we don't want a male person to catch us in our wet bras drying our shirts. Hey wims... get over that shame and just accept that male gaze!!! It is just the same as a 'female' looking at you after all.

The fact that it also happens at work ... no fucking problem. Women should not bother breast feeding their children if they go back into the office. Forget it... such a great radical feminist position, isn't it.

It is truly remarkable the complete ignorance that some people have of the real lives of women and girls and the way they use the toilets and why they need to be same sex.

Helle I love your posts and the knowledge that your wonderful, bounteous, most gender-non-conforming use of "fucking" will make some of the decorum police reach for their smelling salts is brightening my evening.

Thank you RavingStone. I have been told off often enough on this board for my swearing. Apparently, it means that some people will just not read my posts. I remember a number of scolding males who came and told us we were not 'ladylike' in our discourse.

I must admit to living for the past few years in a constant state of amazement at the direction some of these discussions take. It blows my fucking mind to see the fuckwittery. 😁

I find a nicely-timed occasional swear very impactful, it adds emphasis, keep it up please.

Fuckwittery needs to be sworn about. Don't give a flying fuck if that makes me unladylike I really don't care what people think of me.