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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jo Phoenix vs The OU Employment Tribunal 2nd October (whispers Ben Cooper)

996 replies

ickky · 25/09/2023 09:12

Employment Tribunal starts next Monday, not sure if it is available for remote viewing.

I have sent a request so we will see.

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AutumnCrow · 02/10/2023 11:01

I just hope if it's court-based faffing with tech that doesn't end up costing Jo money because of lost hours. Her KC still has to be paid.

Puddlelane123 · 02/10/2023 11:01

Also waiting - and glad to know I wasn’t the only one who suspected a hidden meaning to the wildlife reference.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 02/10/2023 11:01

Just got booted and had to reconnect.

CriticalCondition · 02/10/2023 11:07

I got automatically chucked out of the waiting room after an hour. Back in again. Glad to say that my inbox and bathrooms are now sparkling clean as a result of the looong wait.

Has anyone who was near Watford and thinking of attending made it to the court? If so could you let us know if it is underway and they are just struggling with tech issues?

dimorphism · 02/10/2023 11:08

AutumnCrow · 02/10/2023 11:01

I just hope if it's court-based faffing with tech that doesn't end up costing Jo money because of lost hours. Her KC still has to be paid.

This is a very good point. I, and lots of other, poorly paid women will have contributed to Jo's costs and it's not acceptable for them to be eating into her costs, using up our money, due to being incompetent. If I was this crap at setting up online meetings and / or hadn't agreed whether or not a meeting could happen online ahead of time I'd lose my job.

I am feeling cross. This case has importance for all women who believe in the scientific fact of two sexes in all mammals (which has been a fact for millions of years) and that this fact matters. It is important for our employment rights and freedom of speech.

This is only confirming my strong suspicion that women in this country are being priced / delayed out of justice.

There is absolutely no excuse for this, they will have known how many people wanted access ahead of time and surely this could have been sorted ahead of time. It's not as if this hasn't happened before.

ickky · 02/10/2023 11:10

Just been kicked again and re joined.

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CriticalCondition · 02/10/2023 11:16

In!

LipbalmOrKnickers · 02/10/2023 11:17

'Welcome to the conference'

LipbalmOrKnickers · 02/10/2023 11:18

I have no video 'no-one is presenting' but audio. We have to keep cameras on??

ickky · 02/10/2023 11:20

Judge is saying cameras should be on but audio muted. My camera is off as are the majority of observers.

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CriticalCondition · 02/10/2023 11:20

Keep cameras on??!!

CriticalCondition · 02/10/2023 11:20

Name and pronouns??

LipbalmOrKnickers · 02/10/2023 11:20

'Please give pronunciation of name AND YOUR PRONOUN'

WTH??

ickky · 02/10/2023 11:21

Oh dear, judge asked for BC's pronouns. ffs

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Farmageddon · 02/10/2023 11:21

CriticalCondition · 02/10/2023 11:20

Name and pronouns??

WTF? Is that a joke?

LipbalmOrKnickers · 02/10/2023 11:22

Can I ask - does everyone else have video? I just have 'no-one is presenting' and full audio.

Melissamelisante · 02/10/2023 11:22

Fuckin' 'ell 'pronouns'? Impartial eh?!

LarkLane · 02/10/2023 11:22

What the fuck?

ickky · 02/10/2023 11:23

I have video, but also all the little boxes of guests are showing.

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 02/10/2023 11:23

Fucking hell. That's really, really bad.

How the hell is this Judge impartial??

I would like to have seen the look on BC's face.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 02/10/2023 11:23

So we're in. Cameras are supposed to be on but microphones off, vast majority of observers have camera off. We can see Jo and Ben and the presumably observers behind them, but not the panel. We can hear a female voice speaking, but we can't hear Ben speaking.

They started introductions and Ben was asked for his pronouns.

Justin is the IT guy trying to connect Jo's solicitor, I suspect we may hear more from him over the coming days.

ickky · 02/10/2023 11:24

I would like to have seen the look on BC's face.

So would I, but it is too small.

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 02/10/2023 11:25

ickky · 02/10/2023 11:24

I would like to have seen the look on BC's face.

So would I, but it is too small.

That's a shame. It must have been a picture!

dimorphism · 02/10/2023 11:25

I hope BC uses the judges request for pronouns as a reason for appeal if it goes that way.

It's the equivalent of asking what denomination of Christianity you are (if you're a Muslim) and refusing to countenance the existence of other religions (i.e. a protected characteristic). It's DISCRIMINATION.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 02/10/2023 11:25

Thank you, just logged out and back in again and have picture now.

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