Worrying Increase in Transphobia

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage/

An increase in transphobic sentiment among the British public has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans people from the right-wing press, argues data journalist Ell Folan....

Unfortunately, newspapers still have a great deal of influence on the public and political agenda in Britain, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how perceptions of trans rights have changed.

As recently as Feburary 2021, an absolute majority of British voters (51 per cent) agreed with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman”, including 6 in 10 women. Just 34 per cent disagreed. But after years of negative coverage from the press, those numbers have changed.

In April this year, only 33 per cent of voters agreed that trans women are women, with 47 per cent disagreeing....

It is clear that the media plays an important role in shaping public perceptions, and unless their negative coverage is corrected and refuted, public opinion will continue to worsen.

Oh, I hope you get an answer. I and others have asked this poster this question pages and pages ago.

As well as explained clearly how transphobic it is now considered to declare that the only true trans people have gender dysphoria.

I look forward to it. It will be good to finally get the answers to the questions that were considered bullying.

Thank you for asking a good point versus the other stuff I have been getting on here.

@Talltall

either you show us all this horrible nasty abuse you've been getting or you put a bloody sock in it, eh?
Please do continue to be a part of the conversation but pack it in with the bleating on about the bullying. Nobody is bullying you. You are harassing other people by saying that you're being bullied and coming up with zero evidence of it.

Note to people: you can report any post to MN and they will make a decision. I am going to assume that Talltall has done this and since i haven't noticed posts vanishing, i am going to assume they are not considered bullying.

@MargotBamborough

i ask you to leave me alone yet you can’t.
you are harassing
and not even hearing my position.

you don’t even think you are a bully when coming back when some one has asked you to leave them alone just because they have a different view or perspective.

you are demonstrating you have issues and clearly frustration problems .

i ask you again to stop sending me messages

can you do that perhaps?

Dr Lale Say, a reproductive health expert at the World Health Organization, said: "It was taken out from mental health disorders because leaving it there was causing stigma.'

Maybe all mental health disorders should just be renamed and mental health not be a thing anymore in case there is a stigma 🙄

Why just object and report @Helleofabore Post ?

Did you give mine a pass?

AnSolas · Yesterday 11:18

NoPuddingForYou · Yesterday 11:02

One problem (among many) is that it’s often seen as transphobic nowadays to accurately state that Transwomen are males who are “living as” women (whatever that’s supposed to mean.)

Being called phobic for not playing along with this is a bit silly.

who are “living as” women

In Ireland :

Wanting to stab you mother to death and rape her as she bleeds out apparently is A-OK with the current government.

Providing recognition for growing new citizens and caring for the new citizens post birth is a problem for the same government.

Today that teacher would have the right to follow his female students into the school bathroom. And objections are called transphobic.

And what about the "gentle souls"?

Talltall · Yesterday 07:39

@PorcelinaV

the challenge is their are idiots and people who abuse.

so there are examples here that people are using where people have done wrong hiding under the trans flag being used to excuse discrimination of others.

self identification is the issue.

the trans movement are silly to support that but together either things like mental health provision this country voted for a Tory government and the Brexit bunch that hurt such provisions.

two wrong don’t make a right and therefore no one should support trans discrimination sighting examples of bad behaviour as why.

these are not real trans people.

they are the most gentle souls around

Is @Talltall saying that some males should have access to female spaces and that safeguarding should not apply?

@Talltall · Yesterday 07:39
the challenge: people [males] who abuse.
people [males] have done wrong hiding under the trans flag
self identification is the issue.
the trans movement are silly to support
two wrong don’t make a right... no one should... sighting examples of bad behaviour as why.
these are not real trans people [males].

Only once the male has committed a harm are women allowed to object.

these are not real trans people.

And is @Talltall still say that the harm is proof that the male should not have been allowed in to begin with but safeguarding is still not allowed?

I have to say, to the people trying to address certain posters, I'm in awe of your patience. I gave up after a couple on the Kew thread because it was obvious that someone was set to transmit, not receive.

Stop tagging the poster then.

Talltall, you are repeatedly @ing people! If you don't want to engage, stop tagging them!

You've even asked her a question - if she answers are you going to claim she's 'harassing' you?

@ArabeIIaScott

because I asked them to stop and they keep harassing so I ask them to stop .

keep up

one does stand down to bullies

AnSolas

Maybe mine was directly triggering? I have apologised if it was triggering. Maybe I should have put a content warning on it? Or maybe we are not allowed to use our own experiences to highlight the deficits in other’s arguments?

However, I noted that it was “posts” that were nauseating so it was obviously more than one post that was offensive to that poster. I am fine with the disagreement. And I would be happy to address any other disagreements that poster has with my posts.

@ArabeIIaScott

one does not stand down to bullies sorry

Username ing gets first notification in years ;

Talltall, if you want to see bullying online, just check the Twitter responses to Róisín post, KJR pile ons, and my fave, GC messages on Trans/Reddit.

What you get here is robust discussion. But no quarter given by the proud women of MN...you better have better arguments than them if you want to prevail.

Like I say, the bullying isn't on here. Try the radicalised TRA spaces.

'keep up' - why are you being rude to me? I'm trying to help you.

I thought you may be new to the site.

Generally speaking, @ing people (sorry, ing) is considered quite high handed and people avoid it.

Literally (in both the traditional and the hyperbolic sense) the whole point of feminist opposition to male trans people entering opposite sex spaces and being able to hide name changes is about the potential for abuse!

Therefore abuse by males is brought up constantly. If you're offended by male abuse I suggest you start by having a word with any of your male chums.

I am going to charitably assume you were asked to pop over here to comment and have been too fearful to actually read what the witches have been talking about for years.

And from what I've seen, you're the one haranguing people, calling other people names, and generally behaving badly.

Generally speaking, @ing people (sorry, ing) is considered quite high handed and people avoid it

Shit, is it?? I owe a lot of people apologies then, and I do mean that.

I thought @-ing someone meant you were replying to a point they made (rather than quote their entire post for people to scroll past)

I have definitely misinterpreted that bit of MN etiquette. Bollocksing hell, and I've been here forever.

I think there is some real disconnected thinking here. And yes, I gather that some posters don’t understand that quoting someone (or @ing‘ing someone- ing is going to be very surprised today!!😁) generates a ‘message’ that is actually just a notification. It is not an actual message.

It is just one aspect of the disconnection in these posts.

Often you will notice posters type the name of the poster and bold it. It doesn’t generate the annoying notification. It is another method that it often used.

And also ignoring polite but clear and directly asked questions.

Beginning to wonder if it's an attempt to get the thread shut down for turning into a bun fight 🤔

Well, I said generally! If you're in the midst of a discussion, and keep doing it to others on the thread, as Talltall is doing here, it's quite rude because it keeps 'pinging' them.

I think the sort of naicer way of responding is by bolding a poster's name, like this, GolgafrinchamB.

I can't remember what kind of Defcon this triggers in your inbox, tbh.

Cross post with Helleofabore, who has impeccable manners.

I think many people have turned off their notifications now (I know I have) so I don't worry so much about @ing (sorry) any more

*I thought @-ing someone meant you were replying to a point they made (rather than quote their entire post for people to scroll past)

I have definitely misinterpreted that bit of MN etiquette*

Me too, I thought it was just a way of pointing out I was responding to whoever made the comment.

I @ these days

I used to do the bolding thing but turns out @ is easier after all

I’d recommend turning off notifications though