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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Worrying Increase in Transphobia

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PorcelinaV · 10/09/2023 04:01

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage/

An increase in transphobic sentiment among the British public has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans people from the right-wing press, argues data journalist Ell Folan....

Unfortunately, newspapers still have a great deal of influence on the public and political agenda in Britain, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how perceptions of trans rights have changed.

As recently as Feburary 2021, an absolute majority of British voters (51 per cent) agreed with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman”, including 6 in 10 women. Just 34 per cent disagreed. But after years of negative coverage from the press, those numbers have changed.

In April this year, only 33 per cent of voters agreed that trans women are women, with 47 per cent disagreeing....

It is clear that the media plays an important role in shaping public perceptions, and unless their negative coverage is corrected and refuted, public opinion will continue to worsen.

Transphobia is on the rise – and the press is to blame

An increase in public anti-trans sentiment has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans issues by right-wing newspapers, argues Ell Folan.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage

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Transparent2 · 11/09/2023 23:50

LizaBizza · 11/09/2023 23:41

"Worrying Increase in Transphobia"

I agree. Sad to see Newcastle Upon Tyne, where I used to live, has a TERF problem:

https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2023-09-06/charity-condemns-transphobic-graffiti-urging-people-to-jump-off-bridge

Are you assuming that graffiti was written by a "TERF"? Whoever wrote it was wrong to do so.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2023 23:54

A number of issues:

There is no such thing as "cis". Trans "women" are male like any other male, to me and many women.

Its not just about safety, but males pose much more of a risk to women than other women. It's about women's privacy and dignity, decent males respect it, and any that don't are invading a space for women. Violation of boundaries is a red flag in and of itself.

I don't care what you think about it, I'm just going to keep raising awareness of the issues for women and girls. It seems the public is finally waking up to what's being demanded by these entitled people, anyway.

AnSolas · 11/09/2023 23:55

Messyhair321 · 11/09/2023 22:50

You are assuming that a transgender woman is going to abuse you. That's ignorant & yes prejudice. In the extreme. Just think about what you're saying. For a minute.
You sound totally paranoid.
This is a woman entering a female space, not a male. Not sure what you're on about, man in a dress?. We're talking about people who have transitioned. They are legally female. Whatever you say that's the truth of it

You are assuming pointing out that a transgender woman male (human with the penis) in a dress is going to abuse you enter a single sex female only space without consent.
That's ignorant & yes prejudice. In the extreme.
Just think about what you're saying. For a minute.
You sound totally paranoid.
This is a woman male (human with the penis) entering a female space, not a male (human with the penis). Not sure what you're on about, man male (human with the penis) in a dress?. We're I am talking about people males (humans with the penis) who have transitioned put on a dress. They are legally female allowed to pretend to be a member of the opposite sex Whatever you say that's the truth of it

[ Removing the projection and ambiguity over sex classifications ]

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2023 23:56

Are you assuming that graffiti was written by a "TERF"? Whoever wrote it was wrong to do so.

It looks like a lot of graffiti gets written on that bridge. Someone also wrote "terfs get the wall", which this news report doesn't seem to see as worthy of mention.

LizaBizza · 11/09/2023 23:59

Transparent2 · 11/09/2023 23:50

Are you assuming that graffiti was written by a "TERF"? Whoever wrote it was wrong to do so.

Well obviously. LGBT people and their allies aren't going to encourage each other into committing suicide.

It's also particularly disturbing because there have been actual suicides and attempted suicides from the Tyne river bridges. Seeing that evil and vile graffiti must be very upsetting for anyone who has lost a loved one to suicide there.

RedToothBrush · 12/09/2023 00:00

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2023 23:30

They are legally female.

Most of them are legally male in every way. As well as actually male, obviously.

Being legally female doesn't mean they are not male.

Beucracy doesn't make babies.

Ohthatsabitshit · 12/09/2023 00:00

LizaBizza · 11/09/2023 23:46

Noone is going to go through all the trouble to become trans just to enter a female space to commit a sex crime or whatever.

Since F toilets don't tend to have guards at the entrances, you do realise if a cis-man wanted to enter to commit a sex offence he could just walk in and do so?

btw I was recently in Paris. You might be interested to know apart from the airport and a shopping centre literally everywhere I went had Unisex toilets? It's the same for a lot of European countries. The "TERF paranoia" would appear to be a British thing.

But it is factually incorrect to say that no one accesses female spaces under the guise of transitioning and then commits sexual assaults. We know that’s true because men have been arrested and found guilty, because of the number of trans prisoners ho commit those particular sorts of crime. I honestly don’t think people think trans women are usually predators. What women think is that predators are usually men. Why do transwomen want to use the female toilets anyway?

Britinme · 12/09/2023 00:04

Was the "trans" teenager who wore a skirt and raped two separate girls in school bathrooms on Virginia and was referred to as "she" in all reports of the incidents is one of those kind and gentle souls? Does it occur to you that forced pronouning in the media conceals the extent of this kind of offending?

LizaBizza · 12/09/2023 00:05

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2023 23:54

A number of issues:

There is no such thing as "cis". Trans "women" are male like any other male, to me and many women.

Its not just about safety, but males pose much more of a risk to women than other women. It's about women's privacy and dignity, decent males respect it, and any that don't are invading a space for women. Violation of boundaries is a red flag in and of itself.

I don't care what you think about it, I'm just going to keep raising awareness of the issues for women and girls. It seems the public is finally waking up to what's being demanded by these entitled people, anyway.

Cis(a Latin prefix) just means the opposite of trans. If one isn't trans then they are cis. Look it up.

WandaWomblesaurus · 12/09/2023 00:09

Billi80 · 10/09/2023 23:17

On holiday with my (very right wing) mum we observed a trans woman go to the toilets. I asked my mum which she thought she should use. She obviously said the mens then asked me. I said the womens. Then we got on with our lunch. My mum tutted as she went into the womens toilet. People disagree on things and perceive things differently. It’s fine. It’s a shame that the far right are taking this over and that’s probably what’s increasing anti trans sentiment. They do own most of the media after all. I don’t think a bunch of terfs in an echo chamber really makes much difference. If the right were pro trans my mum would have said the womens…

Mate, you think a bloke in a dress is a woman which already makes you sound a bit simple.
Your poor mum, having this bloke colonise her space, whilst you cheered him on.

AnSolas · 12/09/2023 00:09

LizaBizza · 11/09/2023 23:41

"Worrying Increase in Transphobia"

I agree. Sad to see Newcastle Upon Tyne, where I used to live, has a TERF problem:

https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2023-09-06/charity-condemns-transphobic-graffiti-urging-people-to-jump-off-bridge

Funny how "TERF" is your choice of word.

And you can not change sex

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2023 00:11

Cis(a Latin prefix) just means the opposite of trans. If one isn't trans then they are cis. Look it up.

No, it doesn't mean that. If it just meant "not trans", a cis woman is an actual woman, so a "trans woman" would be a woman who identifies as a man. But you don't use it that way. I don't subscribe to your belief system. Hope that helps.

Transparent2 · 12/09/2023 00:11

LizaBizza · 11/09/2023 23:59

Well obviously. LGBT people and their allies aren't going to encourage each other into committing suicide.

It's also particularly disturbing because there have been actual suicides and attempted suicides from the Tyne river bridges. Seeing that evil and vile graffiti must be very upsetting for anyone who has lost a loved one to suicide there.

Many of the people you call TERFs are lesbians. None of the people I have come across who are gender critical (that is, they do not accept gender stereotypes) show any signs of wishing harm on people for wanting to be the other sex. It is illogical to make the assumptions you are expressing.

AnneLovesGilbert · 12/09/2023 00:12

RedToothBrush · 12/09/2023 00:00

Being legally female doesn't mean they are not male.

Beucracy doesn't make babies.

Even Owen Jones knows the type of woman he wants to make him a baby. Funny that.

LizaBizza · 12/09/2023 00:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2023 00:11

Cis(a Latin prefix) just means the opposite of trans. If one isn't trans then they are cis. Look it up.

No, it doesn't mean that. If it just meant "not trans", a cis woman is an actual woman, so a "trans woman" would be a woman who identifies as a man. But you don't use it that way. I don't subscribe to your belief system. Hope that helps.

I'm afraid it does. The prefix cis roughly translates to "on the same side as" and is used in many contexts. In this topic it just means one who is not trans.

Again, feel free to look up cis or cisgender.

Britinme · 12/09/2023 00:38

Trans is not a subset of women. Transwomen are male by definition or they wouldn't be trans. So there is no need for the term cos. Women are just women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2023 00:41

I'm afraid it does. The prefix cis roughly translates to "on the same side as" and is used in many contexts. In this topic it just means one who is not trans.

You seem to have completely misunderstood the point being made. Perhaps it wasn't covered in your big book of TRA talking points. Ah well.

LizaBizza · 12/09/2023 00:42

Transparent2 · 12/09/2023 00:11

Many of the people you call TERFs are lesbians. None of the people I have come across who are gender critical (that is, they do not accept gender stereotypes) show any signs of wishing harm on people for wanting to be the other sex. It is illogical to make the assumptions you are expressing.

Didn't a court case reveal the LGB-Alliance (a TERF org) are 93% or so hetero?

And all the gay and lesbians I know are supportive of transpeople and very strongly against the TERFs, transphobes and Rowlings.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2023 00:42

On the same side as women - women

On the opposite side to women - men

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2023 00:44

The LGB Alliance are not all radical feminists, they are also gay and bisexual men and non-radical-feminist lesbians and bisexual women. Again, happy to help.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2023 00:47

And all the gay and lesbians I know are supportive of transpeople and very strongly against the TERFs, transphobes and Rowlings.

It's funny how your circle is different, among the LGB people I know, all of them are at least mildly gender critical if not full on.

LizaBizza · 12/09/2023 00:57

"On the same side as women - women"

I think you'll find not all women are TERFs, especially amongst the younger generations, if that's what this is meant to mean.

"It's funny how your circle is different"

Yeah I tend not to make friends with racists, bigots, people with hateful views etc. If any of my friends spouted a load of TERF nonsense I'd never speak to them again.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2023 01:02

On the same side as women - women"

I think you'll find not all women are TERFs, especially amongst the younger generations, if that's what this is meant to mean.

Again, you fail to understand the point being made. Or are being disingenuous. And actually most women are, if you define a "terf" as a woman who doesn't want males in female spaces.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2023 01:04

But of course, a "terf" is a radical feminist, and only a tiny minority of women identify as any type of feminist at all, so the devil is in the detail.

PorcelinaV · 12/09/2023 01:06

LizaBizza · 12/09/2023 00:57

"On the same side as women - women"

I think you'll find not all women are TERFs, especially amongst the younger generations, if that's what this is meant to mean.

"It's funny how your circle is different"

Yeah I tend not to make friends with racists, bigots, people with hateful views etc. If any of my friends spouted a load of TERF nonsense I'd never speak to them again.

What do you think about (biological) female only events? Like holding an event for lesbians?

Is that "terf nonsense" if women want to do that?

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