Worrying Increase in Transphobia

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage/

An increase in transphobic sentiment among the British public has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans people from the right-wing press, argues data journalist Ell Folan....

Unfortunately, newspapers still have a great deal of influence on the public and political agenda in Britain, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how perceptions of trans rights have changed.

As recently as Feburary 2021, an absolute majority of British voters (51 per cent) agreed with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman”, including 6 in 10 women. Just 34 per cent disagreed. But after years of negative coverage from the press, those numbers have changed.

In April this year, only 33 per cent of voters agreed that trans women are women, with 47 per cent disagreeing....

It is clear that the media plays an important role in shaping public perceptions, and unless their negative coverage is corrected and refuted, public opinion will continue to worsen.

TRSOH are getting more and more educational this evening! My heartfelt thanks to them

Race?

Would that be

that a black man is the same as a transwoman?

Or

that a black woman is the same as a transwoman?

Try Redheads at least most people think freckle white Celtic hopping around to Riverdance

[But avoid Blonds and Aryan ]

Gentle souls my arse 😂

If you're black and a bunch of white people insist they're black, too - in fact blacker than you - and prove it by posing in blackface, you'll feel mighty offended.

If they then get admitted to 'BAME' advancement schemes & scholarships, crowding out naturally brown-skinned contenders, and win a swathe of awards & prizes for black people, you'll be outraged that these impostors are being given preference as 'black'.

When media fall over themselves to profile white people for their insights on being black, their moving family histories as plantation slaves, hints and tips on authentic black culture, you'll be gobsmacked.

When the world at large exhorts you and all other naturally brown people to give extra consideration to white people who say they're black, devote time & effort to teaching them how to be black and send them money, you'll doubtless be supremely pissed off.

Ali G did actually fool some people ...

@Talltall it is really out of order to say that. You are substituting the wrong words. Think of it like this, tw are like white people claiming they are black say they suffer more discrimination than black people and when called out on this and the history of racism say this is genocide of trans black people.
Men using power over women.

Haha cross post
How can people not see this?

Being challenged for a view that makes no sense while you are attempting to portray a group of posters as being over reactive is not ‘being harassed’.

You have been asked to substantiate your claims. Can you? Or have you made blanket positive assertions that are purely based on your need to be seen as aspirational and progressive such as :

the challenge is their are idiots and people who abuse.

so there are examples here that people are using where people have done wrong hiding under the trans flag being used to excuse discrimination of others.

self identification is the issue.

the trans movement are silly to support that but together either things like mental health provision this country voted for a Tory government and the Brexit bunch that hurt such provisions.

two wrong don’t make a right and therefore no one should support trans discrimination sighting examples of bad behaviour as why.

these are not real trans people.

they are the most gentle souls around .

Now, I have included the entire post because that way you cannot accuse anyone of twisting your words.

You have clearly made an emotionally manipulative blanket statements. While, under many organisations policies, you have been horrifically transphobic in declaring any person who is trans that does not meet your attributes are not real trans people.

And you continue to try to portray others as transphobic and over reactive.

It is clear you cannot conceive that people have a great deal of knowledge about this topic and know and may even love trans people. It is also clear you treat trans people as a monolith which is also another transphobic thing to do.

Many trans people agree with people who disagree with you about this. Are you about to tell those trans people that they are wrong?

I suggest, if you are interested in what left wing feminists believe on this topic you watch this video.

https://adulthumanfemale.info/

It is a place to start. Whether you do this is entirely up to you, but I suggest you stop attempting to shame people who disagree with you by the methods you are using. It comes across as pure projection at this point.

@GarlicGrace yes, very true. It's been asked before though, how can a man identify as a woman no questions asked, but if a white person identified as a black person there would be outrage.

Oh I have no hope that they will deliver evidenced reasoning.

However, I think those now reading along can see that they have nothing to offer by way of positive engagement and information.

Is it transphobic to point out that a male in a dress now has the ability to transgress into female single sex spaces?

That a male entering a single sex female space is engaged in a power play demanding that women allow the males into female spaces.

Yet these males are not demanding respect from other males, they are not demanding safety with other males, are they?

And pointing that out is now "transphobic" ?

https://adulthumanfemale.info/

@Billi80

Have you seen this video? I fully recommend it. It is about left wing, many are socialist, feminists who disagree that any male should be using any female single sex space.

I am very happy to find you links to women’s conferences around the UK run by left wing feminists… who disagree with you.

Do you think Julie Bindel has been influenced by right wing media?

Please do tell us who on this video is influenced by right wing media? Or is it just your mother, who you seem to despise as having inferior opinions to your own?

The “gentle souls” thing reminds me of a Seinfield episode, where Seinfeld says he loves Chinese people. Elaine tells him he can’t say that, it’s racist, and he tells her “It’s not racist if you like them.”

If you agree that you’re not happy with all of the above, you’re just as much of a “terf” and a “transphobe” as everyone here that you think you are arguing with. If you think male sex offenders shouldn’t be locked up on women’s prisons, 14-ups shouldn’t be getting wrong-sex hormones or double mastectomies, and lesbians aren’t sexual racists for not wanting to sleep with trans women, then you share the views of pretty much all the posters here.

The only difference is you’re trying to avoid being labeled a transphobe and you think that will work.

And they may well be being transphobic. Like you are.

If you think caring about women and women's access, equality, safety and rights is a bad thing worthy of name calling, you do you, love. You seem under a strange misconception that women are going to be interested in gaining your approval over and above ethics and care for other women.

Well, it didn't work out so well for Sarah Silverman. Even when you love them, it can still get you in trouble.

You are assuming that a transgender woman is going to abuse you. That's ignorant & yes prejudice. In the extreme. Just think about what you're saying. For a minute.
You sound totally paranoid.
This is a woman entering a female space, not a male. Not sure what you're on about, man in a dress?. We're talking about people who have transitioned. They are legally female. Whatever you say that's the truth of it

@Messyhair321 - in what way is a man who has transitioned a woman?

@Messyhair321 - please share with the thread your magic formula for distinguishing the transgender women who are not going to be abusive from the male-bodied people who dress as women to get their jollies by going into women's private spaces and from the men who claim to be women in order to abuse. As far as most of us can see, they are still men however they dress, though many live in the kind of bubble that tells them how feminine they look.

And completely aside from the issue of risk of abuse, what tactics do you think Orthodox Jewish and Muslim women, whose faith forbids them to be in a state of undress in the vicinity of unrelated male-bodied people, should adopt to allow them to continue taking part in sports and gym exercise when they can't guarantee that the changing room is a place where there are no penises? Or do they not matter? There are rather more of them than there are transwomen.

And how about those of us who are survivors of sexual abuse and domestic violence, who will feel the presence of male-bodied people as a threat in their private spaces? Do they not matter? There are rather a lot of them - as many as one in four women according to some studies.

This is a woman entering a female space,

No it isn't.

not a male.

Yes, it is.

Not sure what you're on about, man in a dress?. We're talking about people who have transitioned.

Transitioned how? Sex change is impossible.

They are legally female. Whatever you say that's the truth of it

Only those that have GRC's, which are very few, and what they have is a legal fiction. No-one is allowed to know if they possess this magical legal fictional piece of paper. Furthermore those who do possess this magical legal fiction piece of paper do not have unfettered access to female only spaces they can be refused access on the basis of a proportionate means for a legitimate aim - the safety, privacy, dignity and comfort of women and girls is such a legitimate aim and that is the truth of it, the real truth not the Stonewall or GI version of the truth.

If they don't have the magic bit of legal fiction paperwork then they are not legally fictionally female, therefore they are male.

You are assuming that a transgender woman is going to abuse you. That's ignorant & yes prejudice. In the extreme. Just think about what you're saying. For a minute.
You sound totally paranoid.

A male in a space for women is a boundary violation in and of itself. Decent males stay out because they respect women's privacy and dignity. Any male who overrides women's boundaries is a red flag. Why do you imagine we have women only spaces?

They are legally female.

Most of them are legally male in every way. As well as actually male, obviously.

what did I miss? Seems a few still attacking me for being a ‘loony lefty’ (I’m not) and for hating my mother (I don’t, it’s complicated) which clouds out any possibility for nuanced debate. With that in mind I’m going to duck out and have conversations in the real world instead. Or just go to sleep. Goodnight.

"Worrying Increase in Transphobia"

I agree. Sad to see Newcastle Upon Tyne, where I used to live, has a TERF problem:

https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2023-09-06/charity-condemns-transphobic-graffiti-urging-people-to-jump-off-bridge

Noone is going to go through all the trouble to become trans just to enter a female space to commit a sex crime or whatever.

Since F toilets don't tend to have guards at the entrances, you do realise if a cis-man wanted to enter to commit a sex offence he could just walk in and do so?

btw I was recently in Paris. You might be interested to know apart from the airport and a shopping centre literally everywhere I went had Unisex toilets? It's the same for a lot of European countries. The "TERF paranoia" would appear to be a British thing.

Noone is going to go through all the trouble to become trans just to enter a female space to commit a sex crime or whatever.

Trouble? All you have to do is say you’re a woman. You can still have a beard and everything.