Worrying Increase in Transphobia

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage/

An increase in transphobic sentiment among the British public has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans people from the right-wing press, argues data journalist Ell Folan....

Unfortunately, newspapers still have a great deal of influence on the public and political agenda in Britain, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how perceptions of trans rights have changed.

As recently as Feburary 2021, an absolute majority of British voters (51 per cent) agreed with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman”, including 6 in 10 women. Just 34 per cent disagreed. But after years of negative coverage from the press, those numbers have changed.

In April this year, only 33 per cent of voters agreed that trans women are women, with 47 per cent disagreeing....

It is clear that the media plays an important role in shaping public perceptions, and unless their negative coverage is corrected and refuted, public opinion will continue to worsen.

bigot
/ˈbɪɡət/

noun

1. a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

I tend not to make friends with misogynists who aren't capable of critical thinking. It takes all sorts, eh.

So no actual lesbians in your circle?

How very ‘progressive’ of you…

Call me CIS, TERF or Transphobe it means absolutely nothing to me. I was born female and will die female but sadly for those that claim to have transitioned to become women, they are just deluding themselves and their adoring fanatics are enabling their mental decline.

I blame the NHS for not providing much needed mental health support to those sad people but of course ‘money talks’ and since those BIG pharmaceutical corporations don’t have pandemics to make them $/€/£ they’re latching on to trans ideology to keep them in the money.

I shall still call a male transgender person, a MAN because that is exactly what he is.
I’m 34 and none of my age group friends and younger family members (14yrs -28yrs) believe a person can change their sex.
To be perfectly honest, I don’t think I’d want anyone that thought it possible to change sex, in my life. If they were so gullible to believe it, I would have to question their ability to make any judgement calls.

HTH

I'm sorry but I don't believe in the teachings of the cult of gender.

Cis is an abusive homophobic, racist and utterly sexist term used to control and demean women.

It's coercive and manipulative.

It does not mean someone who is not trans.

The term is used without consent of women.

Women speaking for themselves is not permitted by TRAs and using language to describe themselves is described as 'exclusionary'. That is not ok. That's misogyny and abusive.

I do not recognise the legitimacy of compelled speech and attempts to control women with the use of forced language.

Women are women. Transwomen are not women. Cos is a term of abuse. HTH.

Disagreement is not bullying. Nobody is shouting at you. Nobody is threatening you. Nobody is preventing you from sharing your opinions. In fact you are being treated better than many women being shouted down by trans activists when they try to gather in single sex spaces.

I gather when you use the word ‘people’ you mean women as well being discriminated against? Because it is discriminatory to attempt to strip us of our identities, safe single sex spaces and rights. Don’t you see that?

By offering a uni sex option for trans people for toileting, changing etc that IS offering safe options to them, and avoiding discrimination.

Of course there needs to be medical diagnosis and support I agree for anyone that is questioning their gender, and counselling, however even on diagnosis that doesn’t green light anyone into women’s prisons, hospital wards, women’s changing rooms etc and other places of vulnerability. The risks are way too high. Transwomen will still have penises in the majority of cases and the capability to rape. So I am assuming you agree that women and girls must not be put at risk of rape?

@Lastchancechica

i am stripping no one of rights.
where did I say that

i didn’t atall.

so I can only assume your rant is an attendre at covering up some other issue you have

?? I don’t understand your post or what your point is. Women and girls need to be protected - you do agree I assume?

You have yet to actually have any engagement on the thread about the topic bar telling us that somehow you don’t ‘hate’ your mother and trying to tell us you have mysterious opinions.

You may feel it is ‘nuanced’, but your snide denigration of people who disagree with you is not ‘nuanced’ or even fucking ‘complicated’.

What you have contributed here is that you took the opportunity to have a go at your mother, and ‘terfs in a bubble’ which can only be attributed to women discussing the issue on MN. You also then made some well used trope to imply that people who disagree with you are influenced by right wing media.

But you do you. Keep posting and people will see that there is no substance to your contributions and you cannot defend your position, which harms women and children while leaving you feeling that you are on the imagined right side of history.

When men who are male-bodied but insist they are women (which is a biological impossibility because nobody can change sex) enter spaces where women are vulnerable such as changing rooms, women lose their rights to privacy and dignity. Few women want to be undressed and vulnerable around male-bodied people, even those wearing a dress and lipstick.

Please stop spreading misinformation. This was proven to be a snippet of information that was taken and gleefully run with by extreme activists who wish to discredit the organisation. They did that because they felt it better to attack Ad hominem style. It was a full frontal attack by the way, and how surprising that the group remain whereas the people behind that style of attack have been removed from
office - Susie Green and Nancy Kelley.

Here is how the 7% came about. If you wish to continue to spread misinformation, fill your boots. We love misinformation! It provides us with opportunities to link up facts and other evidence.

One particularly sticky myth is that only 7% of LGB Alliance supporters are lesbians. Here’s how that started:
We were delighted to be able to support Allison Bailey at her tribunal in the form of a witness statement to help prove that gender critical people are likely to be women and lesbians. As part of that we shared some numbers from our newsletter subscriber list.

We used Mailchimp to send our newsletter and when we set up our account in 2019 we added some subscriber questions which, as it turned out, provided us with ambiguous data.

We asked people whether they were lesbian, whether they were lesbian/gay or if they preferred not to say. The flaws being that we couldn’t tell whether those who ticked lesbian/gay were men or women and that none of the fields were compulsory – so many people skipped them altogether.

The result was that we had 4,502 newsletter subscribers and 316 ticked the box describing themselves as lesbian. That’s 7% of the total. A further 949 ticked the box lesbian/gay and 1,427 were unspecified or preferred not to say. Based on that data that means that between 316 (7%) and 2,376 (53%) of our subscribers were lesbian.
The 7% figure was used in court because it’s important that evidence is based on provable fact and it is a fact that, at a minimum, 7% of our subscribers were lesbians. However, common sense told us that that number was really much higher.

In August 2022 we commissioned a survey of our subscribers to help us plan to deliver services and support to LGB people. One of the questions we asked was about sexual orientation. That data showed that 34% are lesbian, 33% are gay men, 12% are bisexual, 20% are heterosexual and 1% preferred not to say. We are satisfied that this data is robust.

https://lgballiance.org.uk/facts/

Please note that LGBA has some transgender members who would appear in the ‘heterosexual’ category if they are using sex as a basis to categorise their sexual orientation. And using stonewalls definition of ‘queer’, can you tell us just how many members of Stonewall are ‘queer’? Most of those are ‘heterosexual’. So, tell us why should any person consider your ‘gotcha’ as relevant?

To be honest if there is a rise in transphobia, and apparently everything seems to be transphobic, I have very little sympathy as they've brought it all on themselves.

I'm more concerned with the rise in misogyny and the safety of actual women and girls.

'Cisgender' does NOT mean a person who is not transgender, because it is defined as someone whose (abstract, inner) gender identity just happens to match her or his sex but is not actually based on it. Many people don't believe in the unfalsifiable concept of an abstract inner feminine or masculine or neither identity, and many people base their gender on living in a sexed body.

None of the people in those two large and at least partially overlapping groups are 'cisgender'. To be that, a person must be a believer in the gender identity ideology, and people can't be forced to have quasi-religious beliefs of this kind in secular democracies.

Those who wish to call themselves 'cis' are free to do so, but the definition of the term is not the same as a person who is not transgender, and it should not be forced on disbelievers.

Yes. We understand you are unable to tolerate other opinions and take a polarised view on the topic. It is a feature of the extreme activism that underpins trans rights.

We know that many trans people hold the very views you would claim to be bigoted it seems. They also tell us that ‘cis’ is offensive and made up. These are the trans people that disagree with you. By the way, you should research the person attributed to annexing the word for this false use. *

However, it has been recorded, in two or three surveys from very different sources, that the generation in the 18-28 year old group and the age bracket above that is close behind are totalitarian in there beliefs. They cannot tolerate others having a divergent opinion on anything. And their friends are too scared and worried to tell the truth.

Some of the comments those surveys recorded stated that those friends would go along with the group’s views as they feared ostracism and they feared then losing their places in teams, work, and school.

Yet, this is the age group that is telling people that they are ‘tolerant’, ‘loving’, ‘kind’ and ‘compassionate’. Showing that indeed those words have had their meanings destabilised to now include a meaning that is the opposite to the intended meaning.

And here you are proudly telling us that you do this!! Brilliant.

Thanks for being so up front and proud of what is commonly known as bigotry, or the inability to tolerate another person’s opinion!

And happy to post the links to the studies, by the way.

—Also look up the origins of Queer Theory and who is considered to have been at the forefront of that theory - John Money and Michel Foucault. Here is a place to start:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/french-philosopher-michel-foucault-abused-boys-in-tunisia-6t5sj7jvw

There are archive sites that give you access, however posting those links hides posts so I won’t include them. Just use your own search if ‘right wing media’ is too much of an issue for you. Just use the name and abused boys in the search.

I don’t think cis will ever take off, it is meaningless.

It’s been and gone, it hasn’t.

No. Your views have been challenged and you don’t like it. Why post on a discussion board and denigrate people who don’t agree with you if you are not prepared to discuss your opinions?

You have now pivoted within the emotionally manipulative tactic you attempted to use that was also melded with making a cognitive distortion of exaggeration and false generalisations. Now you use the very clear emotional manipulation tactic of ad hominem attack. Still using the distortion of exaggeration though. You are not being bullied.

People have asked you to back up your claims and your blanket generalisations.

We have pointed out the systemic problems with your claims. And told you that your claims that you now fall behind are hypocritically transphobic. People have pointed out you have resorted to racism in your analogies as well.

Have you provided any suggestion on how this diagnosis is to be so robust? No? You have stuck your head in the sand and declared it is possible. That is wishful thinking. Not only that, but as repeatedly said to you, requiring a diagnosis of ‘being trans’ is transphobic. Just as it it fucking transphobic to deny a sex offender their right to be trans.

You are the person who wrote a post you have not been able to discuss let alone defend with evidence. You just make baseless accusations at those who have commented. I notice on another thread that you have told people to go and educate themselves. I suggest you do the same.

All I can see from your posts is that you believe that a group of male people should be excluded from carefully developed safeguarding because you believe all those male people are ‘gentle souls’. And if you miss the historical irony of this, how many priests were considered ‘gentle souls’ who went through fucking priest training to get their positions and then sexually abused and raped children and adults?

Your solution will perpetuate harm to women and children.

Nobody is doing any such thing. We are assuming that a trans woman represents as much risk to us as any other member of the male biological sex.

Legally female is meaningless to most people. It is what is known as a legal fiction. The person is still the same sex they were when they were born.

You can't make people believe that humans can change sex just because some people want that to be true.

@Helleofabore

you are just attaching me
youcant put it down
i didn’t disagree with you just stood up to the post saying discrimination is wrong
i have not said people should not be safe guarded
i have said using rate examples does help
I do t believe is self identification but I am still being harassed and bullied

you have serious issues when sone one saying stop bullying and you don’t

you should seek help uibkly to deal with you internal issues

I think you are clear in your discussion points.

I don’t think that some posters quite understand logic and the consequences of what they claim though. Perhaps because they fully believe that there is some clear and unambiguous diagnosable element to being trans.

And that a diagnosed person magically becomes this gentle soul they claimed.

There is a willful rejection of the evidence to the contrary. It is simplistic in premise. We see it sometimes, that all people in a group are ‘good’ and ‘trustworthy’. When the truth is nothing like this constructed moral narrative.

It comes from having the lack of ability or willingness to analyse information presented as a counter point and to establish a factual foundation . It is the unwillingness to critically evaluate data and studies and then extrapolate out the outcomes to real life.

And that is fine. There are many reasons people won’t do the work. However, the laziness of those declaring some kind of righteous thinking is noted in the lack of ability to engage with the reality and with discussion. All they seem to have is that feeling of righteousness.

There is nothing to support it though.

@Talltall , but they aren't being 'diagnosed', if you had any knowledge on it at all, you would understand that it is mostly self affirmation and the 'professionals' go along with it. There is very little robust challenging, or any attempt to find out if any other psychiatric illness/condition is causing these issues.
I'll say it again, I have personal experience of what happens.[ personal in that a relative is going through this].

A few things.

Firstly, you don't have to go to any trouble to become trans, you just have to say you're a woman and that's it.

Secondly, I don't actually care why someone is trans, I still don't want to see a penis in a women's space where I am not expecting to see one.

Thirdly, there's no such thing as a cis man. There are just men, aka male people.

Fourthly, you used to be able to shout and kick up a fuss if a cis man entered a women's space. You could yell at them to get out, or go and find a member of staff and have them thrown out. We can now no longer do that. We are supposed to leave them alone and mind our own business because we don't know what someone's gender identity is just from looking at them. Some places even have posters up telling us that we must not question someone who looks like they're using the wrong facilities in case it upsets them.

Finally, I live in France. It's true that there are fewer single sex spaces overall. This makes it a less inclusive society for women who need single sex spaces, particularly women from minority religions, of which France is notoriously intolerant. I'll tell you something for free though. If the government started forcing all this ideology down people's throats the way politicians do in the UK they would be absolutely annihilated at the next election. The French don't like being played fools and their voting system allows them to change their political allegiance as easily as they change their pants.

@loislovesstewie

thays not the fault of trans people

that the fault of people ahi voted Tory and Brexit distorting our services and country.

it is not a reason to discriminate against trans people.

i have said all along people should be properly diagnosed

but I don’t see people ranting about that

rather they attack me

its a disgrace some of the people here and the hatred the spout hidden behind other reasons

hateful and horrid