Worrying Increase in Transphobia

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage/

An increase in transphobic sentiment among the British public has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans people from the right-wing press, argues data journalist Ell Folan....

Unfortunately, newspapers still have a great deal of influence on the public and political agenda in Britain, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how perceptions of trans rights have changed.

As recently as Feburary 2021, an absolute majority of British voters (51 per cent) agreed with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman”, including 6 in 10 women. Just 34 per cent disagreed. But after years of negative coverage from the press, those numbers have changed.

In April this year, only 33 per cent of voters agreed that trans women are women, with 47 per cent disagreeing....

It is clear that the media plays an important role in shaping public perceptions, and unless their negative coverage is corrected and refuted, public opinion will continue to worsen.

What the hell!

"If you met her you'd understand."

So you can't actually give one single example of how she is transphobic then, you just think she gets all her opinions from the right wing media?

If you were my daughter I wouldn't want to go on holiday with you. Your posts are dripping with contempt for her.

Ironically it sounds like @Billi80 (and not her mother) gets her opinions from, I don't know, Owen Jones and delivered by Uber Eats.

that's not the gotcha you think it is: if you have a single toilet - use the one that matches your sex

You are still horribly sneery and patronising about your mum. You should be bloody ashamed

There are right wing people and left leaning people and centrist people supporting trans people. In fact, many people who seek to maintain the prioritisation of sex over gender ‘support trans people’.

It is a common misconception that women supporting single sex spaces and sport are not also supporting trans people.

Yes, some people are transphobic. What is it about your mother particularly that you claim she is transphobic?

To be fair, you are really derisory about your mother. Do you despise her or something?

An interesting point regarding the confusion behind the term transwoman. MBM recently did a survey...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/06/third-of-britons-dont-know-trans-women-born-male/

Mind you billi, you are derogatory and derisory about many people. Didn’t you also post this:

”I don’t think a bunch of terfs in an echo chamber really makes much difference.”

@RealityFan

well if you say anything positive about it trans people on mumsnets people slag you off and instantly take the topic to safeguarding women's spaces.

even if you don't believe in self identication and you believe in women only spaces.

it rather horrid what is said to me.

I often change the word trans for of colour and then I see the utter discrimination.

Another organisation campaigning for self determination and the removal of a medical diagnosis -

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-statement-gender-recognition-act-reform

Please give us examples of the kind of ‘positive’ things that you say about trans people? Was your blanket statement that they are gentle souls and example?

Because given your history on this thread of making dramatic and hyperbolic statements, it would be good to understand what you have been saying that receives such push back?

So, she has lots of gay and trans friends - but still manages, somehow, to be a bigot.

This.

Even more of a reason to use the right loo. Women take longer, with menstruation, or more likely to be caring for a small child that also needs the loo, men should leave the one women's loo to the women. There may not be sanitary disposal in the men's so women can't just use the other loo.

This thread has been very educational, thanks mainly to the couple of valiant The Right Side of History posters and their sterling efforts on behalf of #OperationLetThemSpeak 🏅

Also no risk of violence from other men in a single lockable cubicle so no reason at all not to use the correct loo.

Saying something positive about trans people as though it applied to all of them would be as ridiculous as saying something positive about all people with blue eyes or all people who are 5ft8.

Some trans people are gentle souls, and some of them are Karen White, Isla Bryson and Barbie Kardashian.

instantly take the topic to safeguarding women's spaces

The 8 million users of this site are predominantly women, and mostly mothers. It's hardly surprising that thoughts around transgender issues turn to safeguarding women & children.

Trans advocates seem to find it very difficult to comprehend that other people are impacted by these changes, often adversely, and want to talk about it.

There's an expectation that trans people are the only group of significance. So when you say something like "Trans women are lovely", you expect all these mothers to go "How nice! Tell us about lovely trans women!"

Meanwhile the women you've addressed are thinking about the trans mania at their children's schools, physical attacks on women & girls trying to meet together, and their elderly parents receiving intimate care from strangers of unknown sex. They're rationally anxious for their safety; they'd rather hear about how they will be protected from bad actors than how lovely others of this group may be.

I'm tired so this is possibly not the best analogy - I'm a chain smoker. I quite liked it when you could smoke everywhere. If I were to start dropping into threads with my positive stories of how cheerful smokers are, how it's easy to get chatting with us in the smokers' huddle, and start a vigorous campaign to bring it back: how do you think the mothers on this site would respond?

Christ sake. And they may well be being transphobic. Like you are.

That word has lost all meaning now.

Have you actually answered any of the many questions people have put to you in this thread, @Messyhair321?

What is this "need" to talk positively about groups of people, just based on their simple label or ID or category?

We don't go "footy fans, they're lovely" or "saxophonists, they're great" or "gardeners, they're the best".

I totally refute this modern day need to big up groups of people, just because.

No, we talk about the character of individuals, actions, nothing beyond that.

So, in an alternate dimension, trans people would exist, in the grand tradition of Billy Elliott there'd be no judging gender non conforming behaviour, there'd be live and let live, there'd be help for those with issues, and support for those working at being good citizens.

And of course, actions would be judged. How many invaded women's spaces and sport. How much teen medicalisation was pushed. How much free speech was compromised.

In this alternate dimension where women and free speech weren't stepped on, and children were free of the spectre of infertility and osteoporosis, we'd be supportive, but still no need to big up the group.

But in the world we all live in, where negative outcomes in my criteria are now escalating, to say that there's any compunction to speak boostingly and soothingly of trans is preposterous. Even with no controversy, this shouldn't be needed. With society riven with schisms because of unreasonable demands and no compromise accepted, it's amazing there isn't more slamming from the rest of us, and society at large.

@MargotBamborough

seriously please go and harass someone else.
you appear to think you are very clever with your answers but I see the worst al digs.

my last answer didn't need a reply but you yes you did

you ended on a note about law breaking people who called themselves trans but what ever manipulated a situation system and people

i don't know why you did that. It wasn't even the point of my answer

i know you knew that you just wanted to spill more horror and so forth

please leave me alone

Christ sake. And they may well be being transphobic. Like you are.

Can you post one, just one, any one at all, example of transphobiazzzzzzzzz. Never mind.

One day the transphobia accusers will actually answer this question. I live in hope!

Should we examine that? We could compare drag queens with black and white minstrels. Transwomen with using blackface.

Comparing to color is not the gotcha you think it is

@Talltall All trans people self-id, though, don't they? There is no other possibility.

So, declare whatever gender you wish for yourself and express it however you like but let's keep the sexes separate in the limited scenarios which have all been explained beautifully on here. What on earth is transphobic about that?

Someone of a different race does not affect me or my rights when in the same space as me.

Someone of a different sex does though.

I'm not harassing you. This is a discussion board.

You described trans people - in general, not specific trans people - as gentle souls.

Some people who claim to be transgender are not gentle souls. Some are violent criminals. Others have a clean police record but bully women online and at women's rights events.

You can't say something that ridiculous and expect not to be called out on it.

For what it's worth I don't want to get changed next to any male stranger regardless of how gentle their soul might be.