Worrying Increase in Transphobia

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage/

An increase in transphobic sentiment among the British public has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans people from the right-wing press, argues data journalist Ell Folan....

Unfortunately, newspapers still have a great deal of influence on the public and political agenda in Britain, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how perceptions of trans rights have changed.

As recently as Feburary 2021, an absolute majority of British voters (51 per cent) agreed with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman”, including 6 in 10 women. Just 34 per cent disagreed. But after years of negative coverage from the press, those numbers have changed.

In April this year, only 33 per cent of voters agreed that trans women are women, with 47 per cent disagreeing....

It is clear that the media plays an important role in shaping public perceptions, and unless their negative coverage is corrected and refuted, public opinion will continue to worsen.

They might very well dress up, because they know that if they do, women won’t be able to complain about a male person being in a female single sex space.
It gives them extra power - they can enter women‘s spaces, intimidate women, knowing that women probably won’t even dare to complain about it, because if the perpetrator is wearing a dress, the woman complaining will be likely regarded as transphobic.
I‘m sure you’re aware of it and just being disingenuous.

That’s also true. They don’t even need to dress up, just utter the magic words ‚I‘m a woman‘.

If it weren't for the fact that it would cause distress to a number of women and girls, I would be really tempted to get my large, burly, bearded brother who genuinely wouldn't hurt a fly to go into the women's changing rooms at his local leisure centre, get changed, use the showers and wait to see if anyone challenged him. And if they did, what their reaction was to him saying, "I am a woman."

Just to prove a point.

But even in a cubicle it is a semi-public area where other children are likely to be. So its teaching children that it is ok to have sex in public and involve other children (the general public) in their sexual activity.

It is more likely that other girls will be subjected having to avoid the bathrooms due to direct sexual harrassment

I think that's already happening

One problem (among many) is that it’s often seen as transphobic nowadays to accurately state that Transwomen are males who are “living as” women (whatever that’s supposed to mean.)

Being called phobic for not playing along with this is a bit silly.

Absolutely!

I have a friend who is fighting their UK secondary school about gender neutral toilets (no female single sex spaces) because their teenaged daughters have been traumatised by couples in the next cubicle having sex.

It is not just in the USA, it is in the UK as well. And each of these decisions to remove single sex spaces in schools impacts many girls.

My own teen used to dehydrate so they didn’t use the toilets. It affects both girls and boys.

who are “living as” women

In Ireland :

Wanting to stab you mother to death and rape her as she bleeds out apparently is A-OK with the current government.

Providing recognition for growing new citizens and caring for the new citizens post birth is a problem for the same government.

Let's get this straight.

No one is denying the existence of trans people.

What they are saying is that being trans is a belief system that conflates sex with gender. And since people can not change sex and sex remains important and relevant for a whole pile of reasons, it is correct to say that transwomen are men and transmen are women.

Where the issue lies is with evangelicals insisting that rights to single sex provision, homosexual protection and respect for other religious beliefs be bulldozed to appease and satisfy the demands of people that believe that sex is gender. This causes a variety of identifiable harms.

These harms are increasingly being exposed and the public are becoming aware of this.

Thus the propagation of the thought terminating cliché 'transwomen are women' is broken because people have stopped taking it at face value and have started to think about the real world implications and what the phrase actually means. And Pink news don't like this because they want to promote the cult like thinking still.

Worse still this zombie like chanting of mantras has done harm to trans people themselves because of the denialism going on.

This is an ideology that is at odds with reality and that's the bottom line.

People want to do the right thing, and be nice, but are realising that self ID and affirmation only approaches are deeply problematic and do harm. This bit hasn't changed. These people are the same people who are wanting to do the best thing for society. It's just that they realise the subject is a bit more complex than they originally thought and that we need to consider these issues and discuss them rather than blindly follow what we are told we should think.

This is not transphobia. This is understanding safeguarding and balancing the rights of multiple interest groups rather than a hierarchy of demands which is what TRAs wanted.

It's kinda tough shit to TRAs. It's important we don't do harm to anyone in the process of feeding their fantasy.

Indeed.

Rather than asking “How are you defining woman?” it can be more revealing to ask “How are you defining transwoman?”. For a ‘rabbit in the headlights’ reaction.

You seem to have gone with the women's for tribal allegiance rather than for your own thought-out reasons? So your mum 'obviously' thought a male should use the male facilities because she's "very right wing".

There's really nothing left wing about reducing womanhood to feminine stereotypes. To whatever it was about this male that made you believe he was a woman. Toilets are segregated on the basis of biological sex, not social stereotypes. Latrines aren't in the gents because men like football, wear suits or whatever.

The most depressing thing about people who self identify as of the left but have a kneejerk tribal affiliation to this deeply regressive and sexist gender ideology and want to abolish safeguarding to convenience men, is that it suggests they may just be taking other positions from the tribal box-set rather than actually thinking about them.

Superb summary.

There is a glaring discrepancy though. Mainstream news outlets and daytime chat shows etc won't touch the subject. They could use the excuse that it's not news worthy but if it weren't for GBN and talk tv, it would be a media blackout

This

It sounds like you're presuming GCs are one group of people. A lot of us are gay (fought for our rights in the 80s), left wing/socialist, feminist and certainly 'other', 'alt' and mostly caring and conscientious. Oh and I forgot, some of us are black.

You know, I don't do this often enough.

I've been round and round the houses on what a woman is but the question, "What is a trans woman?" is much better.

"What is a trans woman?"
"Someone who identifies as woman but was not assigned female at birth."
"Can I be a trans woman?"
"No."
"Why not?"
"Because you were assigned female at birth."
"What were trans women assigned at birth?"
"Male."
"So you have to be biologically male in order to be a trans woman then?"

I also don’t get it when reasonable, intelligent people go all ‚Yay, trans kids!‘ - to me it seems like they’re celebrating children/ teenagers being deeply unhappy with their sexed bodies which they can’t really change anyway.
What’s there to celebrate?

Absolutely this.

If believing that biological sex is real and important is a right wing position and believing that someone's subjectively experienced gender identity is more important than their biological sex and should be prioritised even to the extent of male sex offenders being housed in women's prisons if they believe this better corresponds to their gender identity (à la Lisa Nandy) is a left wing position, surely the only thing we can sensibly conclude from that is that the political left has lost its goddamn mind and wonder what else they might be wrong about.

Heaven forfend.

We're at the mind blowing point in history where all it takes to have society collude in an individuals' pseudo reality is a self declaration of a special identity and everyone else has to go along with it

It‘s mind-boggling that when this particular issue is concerned, an individual‘s own reality trumps objective truth. The same rule doesn’t really apply in our situations.
I can’t walk into the office of my dream employer, plonk myself onto a chair, because I‘ve decided I work there.
I can’t break in and make myself at home in a house I‘d like to live in.
I can’t change my age and either retire early or, in order to avoid age discrimination, make myself the age most desirable to employers.
But a man can apparently ‚become’ a woman simply by saying so.

Well yes I mean people aren't going to dress up to abuse they will do that anyway.

Really? Have you been living under a rock?

What else wouldn't people do to abuse? Go into the priesthood perhaps? Or teach? Or coach? All of which require the investment of time and the achieving of qualifications? No, no, of course no-one who wanted to abuse would go to those lengths, would they?

The Cambridge Rapist dressed up in order to (1) access female only areas and (2) to escape afterwards. Katie Dolatowski, a gentle soul if ever there was one used their trans status (self id'd as far as I can find out) to assault a 12 year old and a 10 year old girl in the female toilets of a supermarket, one assault involved holding a knife to the throat of the girl. This gentle soul then went on to batter a male inmate in prison in order to be moved to the female prison estate.

Your knowledge of safeguarding is risible and your apologies for male violence abhorrent.

Maybe posters will listen to Germaine. I mean she has a point.

https://x.com/womenreadwomen/status/1633399532544495617?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

Go Germaine ❤️

Nope, not happy with any of the above. But thanks for giving such an excellent example of straw manning.

you are on the "side" of TRAs and #BeKind and TWAW, right?

Then you are for all those things, whether you like it or not.