Worrying Increase in Transphobia

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage/

An increase in transphobic sentiment among the British public has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans people from the right-wing press, argues data journalist Ell Folan....

Unfortunately, newspapers still have a great deal of influence on the public and political agenda in Britain, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how perceptions of trans rights have changed.

As recently as Feburary 2021, an absolute majority of British voters (51 per cent) agreed with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman”, including 6 in 10 women. Just 34 per cent disagreed. But after years of negative coverage from the press, those numbers have changed.

In April this year, only 33 per cent of voters agreed that trans women are women, with 47 per cent disagreeing....

It is clear that the media plays an important role in shaping public perceptions, and unless their negative coverage is corrected and refuted, public opinion will continue to worsen.

Excluding the births involving a neonatal death or stillbirth from the number of babies born is just disgusting. Those babies were born. What an insult to their poor mothers (and fathers). I find it shocking.

And it makes me wonder what else they think it’s ok to misrepresent. Or fail to understand that they are misrepresenting it.

If transwomen are the most gentle souls around and you only class those with a diagnosis of GD as genuine trans, how do you explain the likes of Stephanie Hayden who have convictions for violent crime?

Why do transwomen with GRCs make violent threats to women for disagreeing with them?

Can you vote any organisation which is not going to ignore the medical element and try to wave self ID through?

TRA dont want better Healthcare provision for anybody they want cosmetic provision.

And even after the male had surgery and is on drug regimen the issue of a right (on not) to single sex space still remains.

So what is the social contract on offer?

do women as a sex class have a right to expect that a space marked women will be male free or not

Very helpful breakdown of the subtext of that post.

Quite. And if they are the most gentle souls around, how is it that they are the largest group of prisoners convicted for sex offences?

Can you explain to me then who are the violent transitioned males who I have held hands with other women against to protect women who simply want to recount their experiences and discuss their needs at a rally? What about all the other instances of male transitioners who have assaulted or abused women who disagree with them?

I can post link after link after link of examples of these male people. There is even one video where those male people are grabbing their own naked estrogen derived breasts and threatening women

You seem to be living in a completely different world to reality. ”they are the most gentle souls around”. Fuck that! You really have created a special group of people that in reality don’t exist as you wish them to.

I am not denying that ‘gentle souled’ male transitioners exist. Of course they do. So too do gentle souled male people of all other descriptions. Thing is, the safeguarding protocols are not designed for them.

And by the way, a gentle soul would also not be the ones using spaces set aside for female people for female people’s safety. They are the ones finding other solutions so they don’t distress women and girls.

What you are trying to tell people is that all trans people are ”gentle souls” and that is demonstrably wrong. Happy to post those links for anyone who wants to see how some transitioned males are violent and attack women just because those women disagree with them. Once you see it, you will never forget it.

You'll have to extrapolate. You can't just say: down with this kind of thing!

And that is a KPI top level management how we are doing report

There are plenty of male transsexuals (and I think that's generally the term they prefer) who don't use women's spaces, even though they may have done in the past, precisely because they now realise to do so is aggressive. I believe this is true of Miranda Yardley.

Not sure about Debbie Hayton.

But plenty of what others would call 'transwomen' actually agree with us that they should stay out of women's spaces and use third spaces. Actual trans people aren't a hive mind, however much TRAs like to pretend they are.

Another difference is that the feeling on the gay scene has always been "treat us like everyone else", most gays I know don't like drag, disco or sequins; they're just normal people.

@MargotBamborough this debate has coined a wonderful phrase:
Good men stay out so that bad men stand out

There are only two possible explanations for that data.

Either trans people are more likely to commit sex offences than other people, or people who commit sex offences are claiming to be trans because they believe there is some advantage in doing so.

Both possibilities lead to the same conclusion: someone claiming a transgender identity should not be a reason to disapply normal rules of safeguarding in respect of those people. If anything, it should highlight the need to be extra vigilant, because those claiming to be transgender (a group which includes those who are genuine and those who are not) are, as a whole, a high risk group.

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Do these people have gentle souls?

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That's a really useful turn of phrase. Thank you @MargotBamborough

BTW, I have found that medical professionals do not challenge people who say they are trans.It seems that therapy consists of affirming their beliefs , not looking for any other issues and just believing that a 6ft tall, rugby player feels like a woman [ whatever that means] .There is no investigation into other psychiatric issues , just belief.On the other hand, a person who is struggling with mental health issues has a mountain to climb to get any diagnosis/help/treatment.
I speak from experience on bot matters.

Good men stay out so that bad men stand out

very well put

Likewise the disabled. We have actively fought against being patronised, head patted, regarded as 'special' and other and the responsibility of able bodied people to caretake. Fuck that. The fight has been to be treated with the same expectations as everyone else, to recognise the same capacity, and just to provide the practical adaptations for equality of access.

This is the only civil rights movement in history that is seeking infantilised special care and special privileges and to be regarded as so frail that everyone else's words and even their perceptions and thoughts must revolve at all times around maintaining their capacity to cope.

It's ridiculous.

As for 'gentle souls'...... yes, thing is this is an entire political movement based around 'I identify as reality being this and you're mean for not enabling me/shutting up about the facts I have excluded in order to be happy in my personal reality' with optional rape and death threats for non enablement. Therefore expecting logic and capacity to accept facts that mess with that preferred reality, is a bit.... pointless. And it means a very limited means of being able to engage. When you're talking to someone who will insist that a tree is actually a small blue cup and feel deeply threatened at your mentioning leaves, and bark, you're onto a loser really. Which is why the argument needs to be held not with those of this belief system, but with law makers who still retain a grip on reality and responsibility.

The number of whom is sadly quite small.

Here is another example of how women, well girls in this case, have been harmed by prioritising gender over sex where sex counts. Where organisations implement ‘gender neutral’ facilities rather than creating third spaces that are gender neutral while keeping female single sec spaces.

Who wants to scold women who hold a view to safeguard women and girls and exclude male people
from single sex places when the evidence shows that harm is most definitely happening?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11512735/amp/Father-girl-raped-trans-friendly-toilet-slams-grand-jury-not-finding-school-responsible.html

And how high does the body count of harmed women and girls have to rise before the supporters of this are prepared to consider the awful step of requiring male transitioners to have some sense of care and responsibility towards women instead of unconditionally requiring their own way?

The enablers don't give a toss about women and girls being harmed. They have no interest in women and children's rights to safety and privacy. They too are deplorable misogynists hiding behind the 'you're all transphobic' badge of honour.

we know already - that is the n+1 argument.

with a teacher later testifying that she saw two pairs of feet but did not interfere

Even if it was not about the rape
It was school with mixed sex bathrooms where teen girls will be disadvantaged by pregnancy in a way boys will not be.

Thanks for the graphic@Waitwhat23
So basically, trans-identifying males are nearly five times likelier than other men to be convicted of a sexual offence.

But we mustn’t be wary of them ….

Did @Messyhair321 come back with how many women and girls are acceptable collateral to be harmed before messy will consider that women and girl’s needs?

Maybe tall will tell us what their number is the acceptable number of women and girl’s harmed by creating a special protected group of gentle souls that bypass safeguarding protocols so they are not discriminated against as other male people are? tall? Do you have a number of women and girl’s that are acceptable collateral so male people are not unfairly discriminated against?

Yes. When I first read the teacher’s account, I was absolutely horrified.

Apparently, consensual sex in a school toilet is not a red flag safeguarding issue.

This shows an extra dimension of how girls are again considered acceptable collateral damage.