Worrying Increase in Transphobia

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage/

An increase in transphobic sentiment among the British public has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans people from the right-wing press, argues data journalist Ell Folan....

Unfortunately, newspapers still have a great deal of influence on the public and political agenda in Britain, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how perceptions of trans rights have changed.

As recently as Feburary 2021, an absolute majority of British voters (51 per cent) agreed with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman”, including 6 in 10 women. Just 34 per cent disagreed. But after years of negative coverage from the press, those numbers have changed.

In April this year, only 33 per cent of voters agreed that trans women are women, with 47 per cent disagreeing....

It is clear that the media plays an important role in shaping public perceptions, and unless their negative coverage is corrected and refuted, public opinion will continue to worsen.

I suspect the preferred pronouns requirement might have backfired actually.

There are plenty of people who consider themselves liberal and tolerant who can't get their brains on board with phrases such as "she exposed her penis".

Come on Messy

While you're enjoying your privilege of being able to undress in front of any random person and believe their piece of paper unconditionally ignoring the evidence of your eyes?

What shall we do with these orthodox Jewish women, Muslim women, Romany women, disabled women, Autistic women, traumatised women, women with PSTD, women with CSA/DV/DA who just aren't as lucky as you?

While we enable those male people, what do we do for those women?

I doubt you can 're educate' or 'punish' them out of their situation, or expect them to 'reframe their trauma' - which after all would be entirely to force them into a behaviour that male people would find better for them. Compliance training. I'm sure you'd find it unconditionally abhorrent to treat another human like this.

So what do we do with those women? Have you forgotten about them or had you not realised they existed?

OK.

How do we know whether the biologically male person using the women's toilets is legally male or female?

No one is checking IDs on the door.

If you think people who are biologically male but legally female should be in women's spaces, what that means in practice is that you don't think we should be able to stop male sex offenders from using women's spaces and saying, "I'm a woman, you bigot!" if challenged.

*I suspect the preferred pronouns requirement might have backfired actually.

There are plenty of people who consider themselves liberal and tolerant who can't get their brains on board with phrases such as "she exposed her penis"*

Especially when accompanied by a photo of someone obviously male.

Oy oy I'm not that old, stop using ageism to assume that is anything to do with my personal & legitimate views on trans folk.

In my view your perspective is the problem. Not trans folk at all. You need to meet some transgender people & open your mind a bit.
They aren't all out to get us.
But there was the exact same fear about gay men in the day, being gay was criminalised, socially marginalised & considered perverted behaviour that took many years to undo.

Trans people aren't the problem here. The damaging bit is as the initial post suggests, wrongful reporting & the echo chamber that follows.

I agree that trans people aren't the problem. Men are the problem.

And as I said earlier, I have met trans people including 2 who were extremely violent. There is no way, I would want them in a space reserved for women.

Do Muslim women, Jewish women and female survivors of rape and sexual assault just need to change their perspective then? Believe harder that humans can change sex and that the male person in the changing rooms is really female?

If a person is going to abuse they won't dress up in order to do that, they're going to do it anyway. I don't see hoards of Trans people doing this. It will be the smallest minority as with any sector of society.

You know women are most likely to be abused by males they know?

Did you ever stop and wonder why?

Are you one of those people who thought it happened to other women because of the poor choices in relatives and boyfriends they made? Or, worse, because of their own behaviour somehow deserving this?

Women are most likely to be abused by males they know BECAUSE THESE ARE THE WOMEN ABUSIVE MALES HAVE THE MOST ACCESS TO. That's why 75% of sex attacks in changing rooms happen in mixed sex spaces. Opportunity.

Destroying safeguarding simply grants abusive males ( of ANY gender ID or none) more access to women when they are vulnerable.

So sure, "they're going to do it anyway" and thanks to the lack of thinking/ giving a shit from those who push this argument, abusive men are going to do it even more.

Are you seriously likening men's irrational homophobic fears to the all-too-real and justified fears that women and girls have about predatory men? The "exact same fear"?!

I think that sounds a bit ridiculous actually sorry. I just feel like thankfully you are not in the same space as me with this & I'm glad. I am not on board with these fears & idea that men are just out to get us. It's scaremongering & harmful to have those views imo.
My best advice if you do feel that way is to look after yourself. I mean take precautions when you go out.
I'd still like to see evidence that there are trans people lurking in women's toilets waiting to abuse, I don't get that when I use the public toilets. Even mixed toilets I don't feel that way. I'm glad I have made it having used so many public loos without being abused or assaulted.
I've yet to meet someone who has been in these circumstances. Because it's probably pretty rare. Does anyone have stats

Nope, sorry but I can’t see it. Perhaps if it was pointed out to me then I could and adjust myself accordingly. I’m being serious.

The same scaremongering tactics are being used. And both IMO are irrational

Why is it ridiculous?

Do you not understand the point being made here?

If we can't exclude male people who might have had their penis removed and might have got a gender recognition certificate from women's toilets and changing rooms, we can't exclude any male people at all.

Because nobody is checking for gender recognition certificates or carrying out genital inspections on toilet doors. So we have to assume that any man in a women's space might be a genuine trans woman and not challenge him.

Do you understand? Either we let no male people in or we have to let any male person in. There is no third solution here.

Huh?

Are you completely unaware of male violence against women and girls? And the fact that 98% of sex offences are committed by males?

Maybe women just want single sex spaces

I mean you are ok with mixed sex but why would it bother you that other women don’t want to share single sex spaces with males?

And I feel it's a bit far fetched to suggest that someone is going to pretend to be a woman just to use the toilet. This sounds very strange to me, I'd like to see examples of this.

No, no one is going to do the work for you.

Oh and by the way, the evidence that some trans women (or men pretending to be trans women) are in fact lurking in women's toilets waiting to attack women and girls is the fact that some of them have been caught and convicted of doing exactly that.

Well yes I mean people aren't going to dress up to abuse they will do that anyway. It's not trans people who are the problem.
Scaremongering is really an issue on this thread

Yes, why is it that male people shouldn't have to share spaces with other male people if they don't want to but female people should have to share spaces with male people even if they don't want to and if they complain they're bigoted and hysterical and need to change their perspective?

Make it make sense.

I wasn’t expecting to get the bingo card out but thanks to Messy I have. I see we’ve had “well I personally don’t mind” “no one would pretend just to use a woman’s toilet” “you can’t tell” and “you should meet some trans people”. Have we had “intersex” yet?

I gave that poster an example in an earlier post, quoted her and everything so it was super easy to find. Somehow she still says she knows of no examples. Weird eh?

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see n+1 is in full play on this thread

Of course women are angry. We’re primed to fear the male - if they stopped attacking raping and killing us we might be more trusting. And taking precautions when you go out? What? Victim blaming???
I don’t know what rights trans people don’t have - unless it’s the ‘right’ to trample on women’s rights if some people here are to be believed
I’m sick of it
I can’t read any more
probably too angry
and I can’t find hatred on here 🧐
or transphobia that old trope

They don't have to dress up. They don't have to do anything except say they are a woman if challenged.

How do we tell the difference between a trans person and an opportunist, and even if we can tell the difference what can we do about it?