Worrying Increase in Transphobia

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage/

An increase in transphobic sentiment among the British public has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans people from the right-wing press, argues data journalist Ell Folan....

Unfortunately, newspapers still have a great deal of influence on the public and political agenda in Britain, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how perceptions of trans rights have changed.

As recently as Feburary 2021, an absolute majority of British voters (51 per cent) agreed with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman”, including 6 in 10 women. Just 34 per cent disagreed. But after years of negative coverage from the press, those numbers have changed.

In April this year, only 33 per cent of voters agreed that trans women are women, with 47 per cent disagreeing....

It is clear that the media plays an important role in shaping public perceptions, and unless their negative coverage is corrected and refuted, public opinion will continue to worsen.

Oh well if it doesn't bother you then it shouldn't bother anyone right? Because you speak for all women. Excellent. (Also, we can always tell a tw from a mile off just fyi)

Meanwhile Transwomen are destroying women's sport, destroying women's groups and rape shelters. Destroying children's safeguarding. We're saying no.

It’s those campaigning for the removal of women’s right to privacy and dignity who are claiming that this is an “it’s unsafe argument” and in so doing they are wilfully misrepresenting the position of women seeking to retain their right to privacy and dignity when in a state of undress.

You may be perfectly happy to be unclothed in the presence of male people who declare a feminine gender identity. Fine, go in the male changing rooms and get undressed in front of males with a feminine gender identity if you believe their internal identity is owed external validation in the form of the presence of a female human’s naked body. No one is preventing you from being the one to provide that validation.

What you can’t do is insist that other women are not allowed the basic privacy and dignity afforded by single-sex female-only spaces when in a state of undress, nor demand that women must be faced with a choice or either putting up with males in facilities where women are unclothed or staying at home.

Women seeking to retain the right to privacy and dignity when in a state of undress does not = “hatred and ignorance”.

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If you are happy with mixed sex facilities then campaign for them instead of removing ours. You don't get to consent on our behalf. Expect us to get angry if you try to remove our right to consent.

Women seeking to retain the right to privacy and dignity when in a state of undress does not = “hatred and ignorance”.

It’s such a mismatch of language at this point.

It’s good to see those figures in the op are changing

Good to see that so much progress is being made!

Not just currently either.

Every single generation.

Every single society.

Across the globe, and across millennia, women have been, and still are being, discriminated against.

This. Lots of people knew the truth all along, but were fine to go along with the polite fiction 'ah be kind, what harm'.

Now, they see the harm. And that's largely down to the arrogance and viciousness and spite and aggression of the TRAs.

As a PP said, a rare example of a rights movement ruining its own cause.

Yeah, but with Muslims, they will identify their religion as being a "religion of peace". And it's Islamophobia if you deny it.

Similar thing with transgender. A male can identify as a female.

What progress do you want to see?

It strikes me that the main problem we all have here is men. Men who want to sexually abuse or harass women and children, either physically or by voyeurism. Men who shout abuse in the street. Men who prevent others from progressing in business or society due to their prejudices. All this things affect women, minorities, decent men and children.
Our fight is with this group of twatty men. Not each other.

But here is the problem. The twatty men, the ones who don’t want minorities to achieve, the ones who see shouting abuse in the street as their right, the ones who want to be able to assault women and children have managed to infiltrate the trans groups. They have dripped poison in many ears claiming that it’s those nasty women who are the problem not them, the twatty men.

Twatty men are just out for themselves and now they have made everyone look the other way and claim it’s women who are evil, women who are denying people their rights. Not twatty men.

“I'm sorry if you're someone who feels this way, or has a reason to but the majority of people are ok & just trying to live their lives without interference.”

If the majority of male people who do not declare a feminine gender identity are ok and just trying to live their lives without interference, in the same way that “the majority of people are” (according to you), why can’t male people who do declare a feminine gender identity use the male facilities alongside the “just trying to live their lives” males without a feminine gender identity?

Surely there wouldn’t be any harm or inconvenience to the males who identify as from the males who do not identify as transgender? To say otherwise would be “a lack of trust in humanity”. As the males who do not identify as transgender would be “just trying to live their lives”.

And if the males who did not identify as transgender objected to the presence of the males who did identity as transgender, then that would of course be “hatred and ignorance” on their part, for which they would deserve to be accused of transphobia.

Surely?

And if not, why not?

I’m not sure I understand this point? Please can you clarify.

For the vast majority of Muslims, it is a religion of peace.

@EasternStandard

that was not was this post was about.
bit was hijacked again on this one issue.

I don't believe in self diagnosis.
but I also don't believe in this always being the rant when people try and mention trans rights.

there are always people that pervert any issues and some men do to pretend to be trans.

that's does mean trans diagnosed people should not have rights.

Diagnosed trans people are not the issue here atall.

Once the battle against transphobia is won, I honestly think the next group that society will target for discrimination will be trans-racial people or the trans-age community.

Male people cannot just 'live their lives' in female spaces without radically affecting and excluding female people from equally 'living their lives'. Women are not lesser beings or less important than male people of TQ identities.

The faux concern though is getting quite amusing. Framing women who want equality of access and rights as filled with 'hate' and needing help with their 'anger'. For goodness sake you do realise you're parroting the same stuff said to the suffragettes when they wanted the vote?

I can be zen all day. I still require women to have equality and not be subordinated to men.

If you are sufficiently misogynistic that this to you feels like a woman wronging a man of his entitlement from her? Well the problem is entirely yours.

@PorcelinaV@Messyhair321 @Katiemag The apparent poll discrepancies may be down to an increase in understanding of terminology. Many people repeatedly told that "trans women are women" will take the slogan at its word and assume that TW are female at birth. Or assume that a 'trans' woman is a butch female. An MBM survey last month found that 35% of people still incorrectly believe this. Why on earth would anyone NOT want women in women's single sex spaces?

Others may imagine that there is some obscure surgical means of actually changing sex.

Polls that explain terminology (especially re penises) will produce very different results, but virtually all past surveys have used terms without spelling out what they mean in terms of biological sex. That's irresponsible. As, of course, is demonising not just women's concerns about biological sex but even the very mention of it.

Lol. The thread did blow up more than I expected.

Now I’m not sure if this thread is dry sarcasm or not

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It’s quite a good thread. I’ll take it as good news

I wonder if it was down to the Isla Bryson case which got a lot of coverage.

I think a lot of people previously though that if someone became a transwoman they would be taking hormones and have had surgery.

The photo of Isla in pink leggings showed a lot of people that wasn’t the case.

Does the "report" detail anything about the code of conduct all newspapers have to follow (such as using someone's preferred pronouns), or the transgender reporting guide that says that you shouldn't report on detransitioners and should only report on positive aspects.

You forgot trans-abled.

People are pretty likely to resist ideologies that tell them to deny reality and the evidence of their own eyes. People do resist compelled speech.

Trans-race is an interesting one, imo. Race is a social construct, as is gender. So that's two movements trying to elevate a social category above physical reality.

I've seen an increase in arguments that age is a social construct! Could be an attempt to bolt it on to gender, but I don't fancy their chances there. The paedophilia connection's a little bit too blatant.

Poor bloke🤷
he has been added to " The List!!! "

But a lot of religious texts are very violent. That's a fact. I was brought up church of England and have read the bible and even though I'm now atheist I have read various versions of the old testament and have had many discussions with religious friends. If you take a lot of religious texts as truth then most religions have a lot of past violence and can encourage discrimination. These days most religious people only take the good parts of the bible/ religious texts so are very peaceful. However some do not. Personally I don't think you can class any particular religion (especially the abrahamic religions) as fully peaceful. But the majority of humans are good people so will practice the good parts of their chosen religion. As ever, some are not good people and may choose the violent side. It is not any type of phobic to say that.