Worrying Increase in Transphobia

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/09/transphobia-uk-press-media-negative-coverage/

An increase in transphobic sentiment among the British public has been fuelled by hostile coverage of trans people from the right-wing press, argues data journalist Ell Folan....

Unfortunately, newspapers still have a great deal of influence on the public and political agenda in Britain, and nowhere is this more obvious than in how perceptions of trans rights have changed.

As recently as Feburary 2021, an absolute majority of British voters (51 per cent) agreed with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman”, including 6 in 10 women. Just 34 per cent disagreed. But after years of negative coverage from the press, those numbers have changed.

In April this year, only 33 per cent of voters agreed that trans women are women, with 47 per cent disagreeing....

It is clear that the media plays an important role in shaping public perceptions, and unless their negative coverage is corrected and refuted, public opinion will continue to worsen.

If you read the thread, you can feel the intense hatred.

It’s posts on biological reality and women wanting single sex spaces

We have seen hatred in return though. Violent threats and actual violence against women

It’s ok for us to say no to single sex spaces becoming spaces with males

I look forward to @Messyhair321 coming and answering this.

And how messyhair would feel about being the person incarcerated with a male person or to share a refuge space with a male person when that refuge is for female people.

And what would messyhair say to the women who have been raped and abused in prisons and refuges? It is all very well to declare women disagreeing as being full of hate but let’s see how they respond to real life situations.

Finally. @Messyhair321

How many women and girls are acceptable collateral for you to continue to feel kind and tolerant and compassionate ? How many women and girls have to be raped, assaulted, abused before you stop shaming others who can see issues you don’t and scolding them for their alleged hate and nastiness?

How many are acceptable to be made uncomfortable or to remove themselves from public life until you give women the right to exclude all male people without scolding and shaming them?

Please give us the number? Or is it the usual n+1, always the next victim….

The majority of posters on FWR would agree with you.

However that makes you as TERFY as them I'm afraid. No debate. No concessions.

Someone has probably already pointed this out, but how on earth are the press to blame? IPSO guidelines are followed. Transwomen are referred to as she /her. Even when it is her penis being exposed. TRAs has brought this on themselves, they overplayed their hand.

When we were fighting for equal rights for women, we did not have to say we mean white women, black women, fat women, skinny women, lesbian women, straight women. All women are included in women. If you have to specify you belong in a category, and the rules of the category have to change to accommodate you, then you obviously do not belong in that category.

There's no 'hatred' in wanting to keep women and girls safe from predatory men.

Good point. I presume what it means is that they are claiming people who don't believe it's possible to change sex are denying that trans people are literally the sex they claim to be.

Which is a bit confusing, because many trans people are very clear that 'gender' is not the same as 'sex', and know fine that they don't change sex.

Then again, here is Peter Tatchell getting stick for saying exactly that ...

https://twitter.com/CTransTalks/status/1700245069951856741

And you still want to give men access to women's spaces because.... why? I genuinely don't understand 😕 you know the harm men can do but still don't see the need for boundaries? The need to say "no" and to have that "no" respected? I'm genuinely flummoxed by your posts.

If man and woman become a legal choice how do you suggest the courts deal with a work place which only promotes young women with a penis and no men without a penis?

The employer has employed lots of women, in fact 60% of all senior roles are filled by women.

It's the other way round. 60% male.

It's funny bc as a desisted woman who identified as a male for years, it wasn't outside influence that peaked me, it was the hateful, entitled, seething behavior of mtfs towards me and transmasc people in general. We have eyeballs, we can see that they're still treated like entitled males boosted by society while clearly still seeing us as women they can walk all over.

A large amount of transphobia is coming from people in the community objecting to the intentional destruction of any kind of gatekeeping. PinkNews hasn't been about same sex-attracted people for years.

I don't give a shit about sharing a toilet with a trans woman, I mean how the fuck would you know?

I can't agree with this. It's generally pretty obvious.

Ben needs the click ad revenue 🤷

Personally I could tell because the transwoman was rubbing his penis against the sink.

On this discrimination point….

single-sex male-only spaces should include those males who declare a feminine gender identity just as much as they include those males who do not declare a feminine gender identity. Excluding males with a feminine gender identity from male single-sex spaces is discriminatory.

equally, giving males who assert a feminine gender identity access to female adults/female children in a state of undress, but preventing males who do not assert a feminine gender identity from having access to female adults/female children in a state of undress could be argued to be discriminatory towards males who do not assert feminine gender identity. If you’re allowing one set of males access to unclothed women and girls, what’s the rationale for refusing access to another set of males? It’s like giving male members of the Baptist church access to female single-sex spaces but refusing male members of the Methodist church access to female single-sex spaces, so what’s the rationale for it? If the answer is “because safe spaces” you would need to have evidence that males who do not assert a feminine gender identity are more likely to be sexual predators than males who do assert a feminine gender identity. But no such evidence exists.

As it happens, the evidence points in the opposite direction: amongst the prison population, a significantly higher proportion of transgender prison inmates are convicted sex offenders than is the case with non-transgender prisoners.

What is a woman?
Anyone who says s/he's a woman.
What is a man? (Rarely asked, but still)
Anyone who says s/he's a man.

So this means reproductive category - aka biological sex - has absolutely no bearing on whether a person is female or male.

This is, indeed, what Stonewall & Pink News tell us.

Now let's consider the matter of single-sex facilities. Why do they exist?

Privacy, dignity, safety, fairness.
These considerations are tied to reproductive category.

The egg-bearing category has a greater need for protection relative to the sperm-producing category, but those also require protection in some circumstances.

Up to now, therefore, some services, spaces & opportunities have been reserved exclusively for one reproductive category or the other. This was fair.

Now we're instructed that reproductive category has no bearing on the matter. All that counts is whether you say you're a woman or a man.

This being so, both women and men may be either sex.
So there's no need for single-sex facilities, etc.

It makes zero sense to have two of everything: one for people of both sexes who say they're men; one for people of both sexes who say they're women.

Everything can - indeed, should, according to this doctrine - be mixed-sex.

More egg-bearers will get sexually assaulted; more of both categories will self-exclude from sensitive environments; no egg-bearers will make it as athletes.

But it will be cheaper, which I suppose is a plus.
Stonewall & Pink News will be happy ... won't they?

I doubt that people are actually becoming more transphobic. I'm sure that the vast majority of the population want trans people to live safe, happy lives.

It's always been the case that when surveys ask general questions such as, 'do you support trans people' then obviously we all say yes.

But when it's a more detailed question such as, 'should pre-operative transwomen be allowed in changing rooms with women and girls?' then obviously most of us will say no.

The only difference is that more and more people are realising that the vast majority of transwomen have a penis.

Inevitably cases in the news like Isla Bryson or Karen White are showing that men who identify as women can be every bit as dangerous as any other men.

It's the behaviour of male people that's the problem here, not the fact that women are wise enough to notice it.

Try reading it again

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The majority of men are not a threat. But we still generally keep them out of women's spaces due to the few that are a threat. The majority of TW are not a threat. But for the same reason why shouldn't we keep all of them out due to the few that are....? Both men and TW are male. Occasionally you may meet one of either category that wants to harm you. Surely the best way to avoid this is keep them all out of women's spaces. And if you allow TW in, why not just allow all men in? Because the majority of men are fine anyway.....?

“The fact is that when any male, regardless of how lovely they are walks into a women's space, some women are forced to walk out. You cannot leave female people with no access or facilities so that male people you feel protective of can have their best and happiest choice from all the facilities.
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Answers have to work for everyone, equally, or you're not a trans activist, you're just a male supremacist. Unless of course you feel that being a trans ally requires in some way that you actively harm and derogate/subordinate vulnerable women?”

This.

I understood it as 40% men 60 % women but 100% xy

Doesn't matter how lovely a transwoman is there's no way society is going to accept someone with a penis changing beside their daughters.

@PorcelinaV

whats a disagrace here is how people try to destroy others. Some people posting on here should be ashamed and seek help for your anger.

Mostly it’s women saying no. And that sex is a biological reality

I have seen anger though, with threats of violence and actual violence against women

Do you notice or endorse that?

The thing is, society has been so slow cottoning on to the fact that that is what this actually means, the danger is that by the time everyone realises what it means, any male person is going to have the legal right to do exactly that and it's going to be very difficult if not impossible to reverse that situation.

But those of us shouting this from the rooftops and saying we won't vote Labour or Lib Dem or Green because of it are being treated like bigoted loonies. And many more women would like to shout it from the rooftops but are afraid that if they do they'll get fired by their Stonewalled employer and be a social outcast among their left leaning friends and family, so they can't afford to.