KJK suing Australian Liberals for defamation

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UK women’s rights activist Kellie-Jay Keen has issued John Pesutto and his entire leadership team with defamation concerns notices
UK women’s rights activist Kellie-Jay Keen has issued John Pesutto’s entire Victorian Liberal leadership team with defamation concerns notices, giving them 28 days to apologise and pay compensation for making “grossly misconceived, wilfully vexatious, and wretchedly false” claims, or face federal court action.

In her legal letter sent to the Liberal leader, his deputy David Southwick, upper house leader Georgie Crozier and her deputy Matt Bach on Monday, Ms Keen claims their conduct has seen her become the target of “extreme hate, abuse, harassment, and stalking”, and culminated in her “being physically attacked” and “placed in life threatening danger” at a Let Women Speak rally in New Zealand.

Archive of full report from The Australian:
https://archive.is/lWNTN#selection-255.5-255.135

Brilliant move as it will really help Moira Deeming's case against her party. Also further reveals the crazy sexism going on in Australia.

NB Reminder Australian Liberals are actually politically somewhat like UK Tories.

Hm.

Well, the police knew they were Neo Nazis! They decided to let them carry on. It was deliberate that they let them through. They were no doubt thinking that the enemy of the TRAs are friends of SFW & Posie Parker fucking idiots when everyone knows that neo-Nazis are the enemy of everyone with any decency and they’re gate crashing.

KJK, Deeming all the eyewitness accounts say they were shocked to see the police “ushering” the neo-nazis past the TRA/Antifa side through the buffer zone all the way to directly alongside where they were set up.

And as Nazis salutes are quite legal, and they were not being violent the police defence is what could they do, arrest them? They have free speech too (I wish they were the MET who’d have stopped them in their tracks- yeah we have some over policing in this country, but what happened that day was under-policing)

The photo and video evidence I have seen is that as the Neo-nazis went down Spring St. They had their Destroy Paedo Freaks banner out and were spread out.

When they got to the centre of the rally, close to the Parliament building they turned the corner went in a quick moving two abreast line doing Nazi salutes with the banner furled and the police were having a hard time holding back the trans activists who looked so enraged they wanted to rush them.
video here
https://au.news.yahoo.com/disturbing-scenes-neo-nazis-protestors-clash-melbourne-052431306.html

The TRA violent attempts to attack the neo-nazis probably cemented in the dumb police mentality “they belong on the other side of this rally then” and so they let them through. It’s like they thought it was a bloody football match.

They then mounted the steps, more Nazi salutes. Someone remembered the banner and they unfurled it again.

Me too.

From the accounts from Kellie Jay, and Moira, they stated they didn't realise who the men were. I believe they said that on the video they streamed after the event. But they were indeed shocked that a group of unknown men appeared to be allowed into the centre area where they were.

And yes you are right, when they were down the Antifa / Socialist end of the area, they DID have their banner out. And saluted. I went back and checked, and you are correct. And the police did nothing about it.

That should be been considered to be a move of aggression by the Victorian Police. And yet, it wasn't. They should have been prevented from going near the women, and they weren't.

Who the fuck thinks that Neo-nazi's are safe around feminists? It was a mind blowing lack of thought. Anything could have happened.

Exactly, KJK, Deeming, everyone didn’t know who the neo-nazis were, but watched them as masked men in black being given basically white glove service as they were ushered past the TRA/Antifa side, through the buffer zone, and then directly alongside SFW.

But the police knew exactly who and what they were when they guided them like little lost lambs. It was deliberate. I’m not alleging malice or some conspiracy by the police mind you, but rather complete incompetence and disregard for the safety of women doing a peaceful rally.

I’ve just realised my earlier post wasn’t clear that KJK & Deeming did not know, they were neo-Nazis until they were in place on the steps and doing a fresh round of salutes. sorry for that.

So imho, looking at the videos the only reason the neo-nazis ended up by SFW was because

• SFW are not violent and while neo Nazis are abhorred would not have tried to beat them to death right then and there
• Antifa/TRAs are violent and the police were physically restraining them from attacking the neo-nazis during that rally
• so the police put them there to protect the neo-nazis from the violence of Antifa/TRAs

no other reason.

Potentially there will be news tomorrow.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/moira-deeming-has-signalled-her-willingness-to-settle-defamation-case-against-john-pesutto-ahead-of-mediation/news-story/bd9bf3ac1a4c434a7532c47feda04cc6?amp

Maybe Moira will settle with Pesutto. I have been told the party think she has the stronger case, but I don’t know how true that is.

Should be interesting as whatever happens it will surely have a knock on effect with regards KJKs case.

Just read an update that KJK has instructed lawyers in Melbourne re defamation by John Pessuto (Victorian Liberal leader) who by all accounts is having a bad time of things and may be headed for a leadership challenge - poor John!

I must have missed this whole thread. But the today update that kjk has instructed lawyers, is that not the action that started off the whole thread months ago? Or is this a more advanced step in suing? I wish I had more confidence in our judicial system on this topic.

I hope this share token from The Age works:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/two-more-defamation-cases-could-sink-john-pesutto-s-leadership-20240315-p5fctg.html
“Two high-profile activists are expected to launch court action against John Pesutto within days, putting the Liberal leader under renewed pressure.
Three sources familiar with the impending legal action told The Age that Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull and Angie Jones had until March 19 to launch proceedings, which coincides with parliament returning on Tuesday.”

Moira Deeming is already suing Pesutto.

“Deeming is suing Pesutto over comments he made about her involvement in a controversial March 2023 rally gatecrashed by neo-Nazis. Critics of the rally say it was an anti-transgender rights protest, but supporters insist it was about speaking up for the rights of women and girls.”
I am somewhat heartened to see the (small?) concession about the rally supporting women’s and girls rights. Previous reports in the very left-leaning Age misrepresented it as anti-trans only. When I threatened to stop my subscription because of the misrepresentation I was told that there had been many similar complaints. Maybe they have taken them on board? Baby steps…

I'm assuming the original thing was the equivalent of the E&W "Letter Before Action" but that didn't have the desired effect, so she's now moved onto the Action bit.

Thank you.

Unfortunately it's wanting to charge me to read, so:

Archive link

https://archive.is/1GIsi

Maybe I should subscribe to the age just so I can write in ‘as a subscriber’. I did get a letter published in the afr last week!

Thank you Boiledbeetle! I’m not very skilled at archive links.

Absolutely! If you can get a GC view published in the Age letters please do so! I’ve noticed that there are some other GC women who have managed to get their opinions published on the letters pages. Particularly in response to the AHRC challenge to lesbian only spaces. I sense the tide may be turning here (slowly!!) in Australia. Perhaps reflecting the fabulous advances on Terf Island!! Thanks to all you wonderful Terven of England Scotland Wales and Ireland. You are all my inspiration 😍

KJK on Melbourne's radio 3AW this morning
https://omny.fm/shows/3aw-mornings/exclusive-uk-anti-trans-activist-to-launch-defamat

FFS, the media here cannot/will not acknowledge that KJK is a “women’s rights campaigner” - they are still slandering her as an “anti-trans” activist.

It’s just getting worse here, rather than seeing the light as elsewhere in the sane world.

I saw a radio interview she did (this week I think and with a Melbourne radio station) that the interviewer correctly referred to her as a woman’s rights campaigner. However, the headline when the interview was uploaded was ‘anti-trans campaigner’ or something similar. It was either someone creating a click bait headline or an activist content producer.

I hope that after these cases, Moira’s and KJK’s, plus Angie if she sues, will give so much light that that habit that the Australian media has picked up will die away. Maybe it will take more legal work, I don’t know. But it is very concerning because it creates hostility for any feminists, or indeed any person, trying to raise alarms about any of the many impacts from medical treatments, sports to women’s right and lesbian rights.

I hope that after these cases, Moira’s and KJK’s, plus Angie if she sues,

Angie has also served Pesutto.

Thanks Eresh. I had not caught up on that bit of news. No doubt she will need funding.