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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Alice Cooper

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WarriorN · 24/08/2023 07:36

Alice has really let it all out in RollingStone.

Full JKR.

Of course RS has put in all sort of passive aggressive play downs "debunking the bathroom debacle" and making out he's not got it quite right and is a bit "confused."

AC has described how he can see that self ID means unfettered access to women. Men saying they're women. Which RS has down played.

www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/alice-cooper-transphobic-statements-kids-gender-identity-bathroom-predator-myths-1234811328/

x.com/rollingstone/status/1694480061783519241?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

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Musomama1 · 24/08/2023 07:39

Rolling Stone's 'debunking' is just pure gaslighting for women and nothing on the impact to children. So uninformed.

There's nothing to see here, there's no problem.

Eurgh, utter irony, I bet there's so many music people who are gender critical. Musicians are so often the original freaky don't fit in kids.

VeryUninspired · 24/08/2023 07:40

I couldn’t read the whole thing I was getting pissed off. I haven’t read Rolling Stone in a long time but what a pathetic piece.

ETA I mean the complaints that Alice was confused, etc. I don’t think anything Alice said was wrong.

NooNakedJacuzziness · 24/08/2023 07:45

Only Women Bleed - Alice has always been switched on. What a pompous piece by RS

WarriorN · 24/08/2023 07:45

That tweet / article needs a community note

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PriOn1 · 24/08/2023 07:46

Sounds like Alice has a very clear and realistic view. And how can anyone claim that the idea that some men will abuse the situation if they have easy access to women’s spaces be “debunked”. Typical they simply write that unevidenced statement as if it was a fact, without explaining why he’s wrong.

ResisterRex · 24/08/2023 07:50

Sex-based rights? Oh no no no

Sex-based excuses? Oh yes yes yes

Beowulfa · 24/08/2023 07:50

FFS, when did music journalism mean writers anxiously explaining away and apologising for what artists say?

I love Alice even more now. He's excellent as a DJ on Planet Rock.

WarriorN · 24/08/2023 07:53

That article has really got under my skin.

And yes it's the Gaslighting of women and girls.

Don't have time to be a tweet warrior but I hope that tweet gets inundated with women illustrating how wrong that sanctimonious little journalist is.

I expect AC knew it would be like that and probably has faith truth will out.

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WarriorN · 24/08/2023 07:54

Regarding other musicians, linking Roisin Murphy.

She may retract mind you.

Roisin Murphy www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4879267-roisin-murphy

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NotTerfNorCis · 24/08/2023 07:56

He sounds eminently sensible.

NotTerfNorCis · 24/08/2023 08:04

This argument that 'gender expression' and 'gender identity' are not the same is sneaky. It's clear they would be the same in a lot of people's minds, and 'expressing yourself in a different gender' could lead to a new 'gender identity'.

They're obviously saying it to counter the argument that genderism is ultimately about stereotypes. 'Boys dress and behave like x, girls dress and behave like y, how you dress and behave determines how you identify and therefore what you are.' And also: 'x is a boy gender thing, girls who do x are not being girls'.

Lottapianos · 24/08/2023 08:05

He's always seemed like a good egg who has his head screwed on. Good for him

TheGreatATuin · 24/08/2023 08:08

I wonder how long it'll be before some smug little TRA calls him a hypocrite for wearing make up and having a name like Alice, while spectacularly missing the point.

Good on him. I used to love him when I was a young teen. Time for a re-listen.

ArabeIIaScott · 24/08/2023 08:18

The headlines are pretty clear.

It's what everyone knows, ffs. Just takes more people standing up and saying it.

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TheGreatATuin · 24/08/2023 08:18

I'm not even bothered about RS 'debunking' him. Ultimately, they've used their own platform to share what he's said with a lot of people.
He's got his words out there and I'm willing to bet that the majority of people reading it will be quietly agreeing that he's right, and thinking that RS are making fools of themselves.

Mamette · 24/08/2023 08:27

Yes they’ve said a whole load of stuff to cover their own arses but they still ran his comments verbatim. That makes me think hmm.

They gave him the platform. He will get so much support for this. Everything he says is so sensible.

ArabeIIaScott · 24/08/2023 08:32

He's trending on Twitter.

Abhannmor · 24/08/2023 08:36

I want him to be Elected!

EdithStourton · 24/08/2023 08:37

Oh fabulous! He's spent his life bucking against gender stereotypes with the name and the make-up.

The more people who come out and say that the emperor is starkers, the better.

zurala · 24/08/2023 08:41

I've always loved Alice Cooper and I love him even more now. That "article" is utter shite. It's not even an article!

Mochudubh · 24/08/2023 08:52

I'm glad to see this. He has a reputation as one of the genuinely nicest guys in the business.

I remember him doing School's Out on the Muppet Show.

littleripper · 24/08/2023 09:11

He's a grim man who glorified sex with children. Sable Starr said he abused her when she was 13.
He's right about this but he's revolting

MowingTheTerf · 24/08/2023 09:22

I remember when RollingStone had an article about one of the Wachowski brothers and was very clear about AGP.

And then you look at what the magazine is today.

BonfireLady · 24/08/2023 09:56

NotTerfNorCis · 24/08/2023 08:04

This argument that 'gender expression' and 'gender identity' are not the same is sneaky. It's clear they would be the same in a lot of people's minds, and 'expressing yourself in a different gender' could lead to a new 'gender identity'.

They're obviously saying it to counter the argument that genderism is ultimately about stereotypes. 'Boys dress and behave like x, girls dress and behave like y, how you dress and behave determines how you identify and therefore what you are.' And also: 'x is a boy gender thing, girls who do x are not being girls'.

Indeed. Clearly Alice sees right through that. Just like Dee Snider did.

I've added some Alice support on the Twitter thread.

Looking at the ratio of people reading the main RS tweet (37.2k so far) and liking it (55 so far), I'm assuming most people are in agreement with Alice here. Most of the comments seem to support that viewpoint too from the ones I looked through.

ArabeIIaScott · 24/08/2023 10:25

littleripper · 24/08/2023 09:11

He's a grim man who glorified sex with children. Sable Starr said he abused her when she was 13.
He's right about this but he's revolting

Ugh. So many musicians I respected before turn out to have this horrible history. John Peel, David Bowie, Iggy Pop ...

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