Roisin Murphy

[WarriorN]

Is it true? Did did say this?

"Puberty blockers ARE FUCKED! Big pharma laughing all the way to the bank!"

I’d never heard of Roisin Murphy before, I’ll give her a follow on Twitter and Amazon music now

Maybe could write to the record company and ask why if they think they care about children, they aren’t supporting children’s charities which support safeguarding?

Point out safeguarding issues with supporting charities which take a politicised view of children and young people’s distress and which don’t have an open mind about causes of that distress and how it should be helped?

Also could write/email to RM via the record company addresses, to express support for her concerns? Ie not writing via their public social media accounts.

Boycott the record lable.

Do a counter offensive?

Who are they and who do they rep?

I suppose you can write what you feel you need to.. As I see it, these folk have a mob that piles on people. Let’s have one of our own ?

The thing with puberty blockers is that once on them, it rarely stops there. So if a young person signs up for puberty blockers, they could be still children but they're effectively signing up to the whole thing, that whole future.

Or that's what I understood from what Keira Bell etc said in their case.

The hypocrisy is off the scale. These men need these 'trans children' not just to exist, but also to be sterilised and have their capacity for a normal sex life as adults compromised, even though they only discovered their own womanly identity in adulthood, usually after fathering children.

Many of whom will explain how they certainly won't be getting bottom surgery due to the enjoyment of their 'gender euphoria' (their term).

But sterilising kids and making sure they won't experience orgasm isnt given a second thought.

That's right. Something like 98% of children on PB go on to cross sex hormones.

whistleblowers at the Tavistock said puberty blockers almost cemented the pathway.

On the publicity question, I'd wager that the activities of the campaigner-type people and the headlines generated in the press, actually serve as publicity.

With every person whose curiosity is piqued by that attempt at cancellation, those who want to control Roisin Murphy lose their grip on her a little more.

How bloody upsetting. That Twitter thread is a master class in the pernicious, ‘holier than thou’ bullying of ‘re-educating’ - I can almost see him stood there in his stilettos, administering his ‘punishment’ of Róisín from on high. A ‘cis’ woman expressing an opinion - how dare she!

Her fans need to step up and support her. I don’t think a small group of mumsnetters suddenly going out and buying her album and back catalogue - some who have never heard of her before - will be effective or meaningful. Róisín isn’t a brand of margarine or a department store - she’s an artist of talent and individuality.

If this sparks some dialogue within her own fan base - amongst those gay men who probably think the same about puberty blockers, or who are feeling coerced into accepting trans men in their saunas and as sexual partners, then all is not lost. And the lesbians who love her need to speak up and the trans people who feel cowed by the extremism.

Have a conversation about it. Don’t act as this homogenous mantra-chanting mass. It could be really meaningful.

Meanwhile Roisin may have committed career su*de here but she’s at the heart of a community and I hope many people/fans get in touch and show her their support. She’ll be feeling utterly besieged I’m sure - and angry.

Good luck Róisín and that record company are a bunch of greedy, corporate cowards.

I'm very disappointed with Ninja Tune for this, when they are a label with artists doing stuff that isn't suitable for the mainstream and should expect people with different contrarian opinions because that helps create the music.

But I also imagine that the label has been deluged with these campaigners contacting them constantly over it, the campaigners are so insidious that likely every person who works there has likely been contacted personally over it.

I can't read the full Toronto star drivel. Which record company is she with?

I'm already boycotting Amazon.

When you can’t even question the safety of puberty blockers without being accused of transphobia, it shows just how fragile this whole house of cards has become. How is it transphobic to want to protect children from unnecessary suffering? Isn’t it important to do careful research on all available treatments, as we do with any medication, and assess the risks, and ensure patients are fully informed of what those might be, rather than just unquestioningly pumping children full of life-changing drugs? It’s not transphobic to want children to be happy and healthy.

Surely an actual transphobic statement is something like this: “I hate trans people.” No one who has been subjected to the TRA pile-ons has said anything of the sort, as far as I’ve seen.

Roisin is not a transphobe.

I may be misremebering, but didn't JKR put a toe in initially, recant ("senior moment") and then come back in swinging?

I know I did the same in another life - made some gentle, reasonable comments, got piled on and backed off, then got to the point where my own self respect wouldn't allow my silence to be assumed to be acquiescence.

The second time a woman speaks up about this, she has thought about it, knows exectly what the reaction will be and is ready for it.

I'm not writing Murphy off just yet. Her first (private) post is what she really thinks. She assumed the people in her tribe would be able to differentiate between her genuine, valid and reasonable opinion and transphobic bigotry. She's discovered her tribe think anything other than total capitulation to the tenets of the Genderism doctrine is "transphobic bigotry". I reckon she'll digest that, do some soul searching about what it means, and eventually come back swinging.

Some good ideas here and, no, we're not in the margarine business.. but we are in the anti-marginalisation business.

Everyone who looks at what's going on and wants to find out more is, in their own way, taking a stand against the script we've seen played out so often now.

One place to start might be Roisin's public FB page, specifically the comments section of the latest post on there. Just check in there.

There's currently a handful of individuals who think they're dancing on her grave. It's time to make these people think again about that.

When I heard that a lot of autistic teenagers are caught up in transgenderism it makes sense with the autistic breakdowns and the all-consuming stalkerish behaviour towards people who express an opposing opinion.

I know personally from Twitter when I posted a commented on "what did JKR actually say?", someone then sent me an essay worth of personal messages detailing their own gender issues and telling me to watch some two hours YouTube videos on JKR.

Basically you're dealing with a lot of teenagers who are obsessed with the issue, obsessed with every label, have no empathetic ability to understand over people, have no job and so can spend every waking minute campaigning against so-called TERFs.

There's also a group of older people, in good jobs within the PC extablishment, who think the world revolves around them. They basically treat the likes of Roisin as an employee - hire and fire, their prerogative, no come-backs.

All you've got to do is respond to them by asking 'Would you be insulted if I made up my own mind ? You would ? Why ?' Behind the bullying tactics and spittle-flecked dogmatising, is an issue which is of increasing public concern.

The allegations of transphobia actually illustrate how those who make such allegations are only happy when they feel they hold coercive power over others. And their thirst for that power is motivated by distrust and contempt.

Thus far, their reactions have allowed us to see their true colours ; the tolerance is all one way - tolerating their tantrums - and people are only free to do as they're told. When they throw an insult at you, they're projecting.

They are the cult. They are the bigots.

One of these people just called someone else a 'failed abortion' on fb. I reported that to fb. Maybe it's high time they got a taste of their own medicine..?

Now the truth is out that her original FB post was a private one, this tsunami can be easily understood.

Rule One...never write anything on a forum you don't believe, wouldn't be happy to be made public. Trust noone, except yourself.

Rule Two...if you break Rule One, the backlash will come.

The way I see it, she's been outed, maybe even by someone very close to her, a trusted confidant. Or she was hacked.

And even with frantic backpedaling, she's been hung out to dry.

At what point does she realise that being honest was taken advantage of, censoring herself isn't helping?

And she needs to be honest once again.

I would take a slightly different line :

People have a right to privacy - a space in which they can think out loud, figure things out and so on - and disrespecting that right is ethically questionable.

Secondly, issues which are of public intetrest require a public square in which debate and conflicting views are accepted as part of that process.

Thirdly, music and the arts generally, require a space in which creative freedom is accepted as part of that process and protected against censorship.

Each of these three propositions relies on the idea of trusting the public-at-large to think for themselves and make up their own minds, free from interference.

Well, it was a private FB space. She must have felt that she could be frank.

I wonder how it feels to have to so bunker down, yet come out to perform?

I'm not sure I'd have it in me.

I'd like to think that the people who aren't in agreement with what I've written have now identified themselves and perhaps they will do so again.

But if what I've written is up to the task of supporting debate, experimentation, creativity and freedom - then the rationale for coercion, Twittermobs, etc, can be understood for what it is - an ideology of intolerance and authoritarianism. Why sign-up for that? It's time to take a stand, in the name of making a better world.

Even if she did that wouldn't help existing artists like Murphy since they are normally tied into contracts with their own label. Even outside of this issue they have the power to stop someone releasing new music if they want to https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51704533

I read this morning that her record label has stopped promoting her new album because of her comments