Roisin Murphy

[WarriorN]

Is it true? Did did say this?

"Puberty blockers ARE FUCKED! Big pharma laughing all the way to the bank!"

I can see, however, how people would choose to keep quiet about their GC views - look at what happens to those who go public.

I’m retired, no mortgage, they can’t touch me, but even so, I didn’t go near the topic on Twitter because a) I didn’t understand it, b) didn’t think it affected me, and c) I followed/was followed by thousands of trans people and their allies. If I rejoined Twitter now my old followers would be blocking and reporting me all over the shop.

This whole movement is made up of very fragile people and the Tyranny of the Weak is very much in action; it is weak people acting in a tyrannical way, as described by OScar Wilde:

"the worst form of tyranny the world has ever known is the tyranny of the weak over the strong."

This is all about to bullying people into feeling sorry for them, bending to their every whim and us all having to walk on eggshells so as not to shatter their fragile egos.

This.

Hi,

Macy Gray has been a target of this kind of thing, as has Jess Glynne – but this situation stands out for two reasons : firstly, the comment which caused the furore is far milder than what was said by Gray or Glynne. As for what that material actually constituted, I do recall that there was a period, which only ended quite recently, where gender treatment in the UK was very much not discussed publicly, leading to a sense of mystery about what was occurring.

Secondly, and I believe more importantly, I understand that the screen-shot was of an entry on a private facebook account, which we, as the general public, have no automatic right to see. The publicising of that private material raises some ethical questions for me. The response from Kathleen Stock is understandable, given her experiences but I do think it offers about as much support as a flip-flop (!). In my opinion, criticism should be directed elsewhere.

I think that’s a good point Biff - the fact that Roisin’s original comments were never intended for the wider public domain. So in that respect, she wasn’t really putting her head above the parapet… instead, she was effectively outed to the Twitter mob. Kudos to her for not retracting her words.

I would suggest that the effect of publicising a private statement, is to deny those involved the opportunity of thinking about the issues involved, in their own time, and developing their understanding, at their own pace. I'd be surprised if the public-at-large know much more about the Tavistock, GIDS, etc,

So in actual fact, it's an own-goal for those who wish to 'alleviate distress associated with gender incongruence and promote the individual’s global functioning and well-being' - the NHS's statement about its planned network of clinics. They have shown that they are unwilling to explain what's at stake.

Someone in her inner circle sold her out.

1984 comes to mind.

I suspect this reticence to explain is because the issue is actually extremely difficult to make a case about - even the NHS are unsure about the safety of puberty blockers and have decided to scrutinise the effectiveness and safety of their approach much more closely, from now on.

This lack of certainty about the future of treatment appears to be felt as an existential threat to transgenderism, as a way of life, by those who would prefer the rest of us to not ask difficult questions about the treatments or whether they could be improved. Hence the threats directed at Roisin Murphy.

If these folk have no qualms about ending their career of one of their favourite chanteuses, there is little prospect of any tolerance being shown for anyone else., which then perpetuates the situation where Joe Public is unable to make an informed decision about the appropriateness of taking puberty blockers.

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If these folk have no qualms about ending their career of one of their favourite chanteuses, there is little prospect of any tolerance being shown for anyone else

Like they're sitting playing an XBox game.

If they destroy women on X/Twitter, FB, social media, then they're taking out targets from their bedrooms. It's a very twisted reality.

Shit. You’re right. It was her private Facebook.

Ugh. Men are women, war is peace, and friendship is betrayal.

I do have an inescapable sense that this was always going to be on the cards, given the relatively poor track-record – only too well-known – of tolerance for discussion, amongst certain groups, who have made sure, once again, that we know exactly who they are. A hall-mark of the responses thus far has been a sense of ownership over artiste and message – one buys oneself a mocking-bird and if that mocking-bird won’t sing..? One punches it in the face. #TERF.

So very much a tone of ‘we’ll enjoy ruining you’, from those who have taken pains to dream up various angles of attack with that threat. What puzzles me is that they are fond of the word ‘bigot’, whilst displaying quite a flagrant disregard for artistic freedom and freedom-of-opinion ; even mild divergence from expectations, as we’ve seen here. A feminist of a certain school might chuckle at The Patriarchy being The Patriarchy, as ever, even if it thinks itself ‘fabulous’.

Her record company won't promote her new release:

https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/r-is-n-murphys-record-label-ceases-promotion-of-her-new-record-following-transphobic-social/article_9217e450-3bc1-5995-bd78-2249fe65e90f.html?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMedia

“Transphobic comments”? That’s the problem, right there. If you’re not 100% behind everything they say and do, you’re written off as a transphobe, it’s disgusting and disturbing.

You would think that every community would want to prevent confused children going down a path from which there may not be a return.

Some children will be certain. Some will inevitably be confused, hurting, unsure of their place in society, unsure or ashamed of their sexuality, have a desire to be different, have a desire to be accepted and many other reasons.

It was not a transphobic comment but a comment that we owe it to children to protect them until they are absolutely certain of their road.

Why is that so terrible and why is it transphobic?

I do believe it's high time the rest of us demanded something more than the highly contingent kind of relationship that we're offered, on a take-it-or-leave-it basis,. by those who appear to take this Manichean world-view.

After all, those who are currently seeking her 'cancellation' are a small but vocal minority of the public-at-large, who appear to believe that buying a record earns you certain rights over its creator - particularly if that creator is female.

Murphy appears to have done more than most, to try to get to know and understand the lives of people who appear to have repaid that by attempting to destroy her livelihood. The allegation of transphobia is ideologically-motivated.

I know JKR has opened a women's refuge which is categorically for women only. Almost every day I wish she'd open something else.

Today I want her to open a record label.

She'd make a mint, in my opinion. (Another one.)

It's transphobic because middle-aged men who decide that they have a womanly gender identity need there to be children who are 'really trans' to back up their claims that they have also been 'really trans' from birth.

Without 'trans children' their whole back story falls apart and they're just sad middle-aged men having a mid-life crisis fuelled by things that I can't mention here without deletion.

The hypocrisy is off the scale. These men need these 'trans children' not just to exist, but also to be sterilised and have their capacity for a normal sex life as adults compromised, even though they only discovered their own womanly identity in adulthood, usually after fathering children. They don't care about how many children are harmed in order to validate their womanly identity.

Wow! Just wow!

And to heap insult on injury, the article repeats a whole bunch of fake news on how harmless and life affirming puberty blockers are.

This is sickening and disgusting by the record company. But the self imposed censorship practiced by corporations demands total acquiescence and thus she has to be sacrificed or the company is.

A circular firing squad.

⬆️ Heartbreaking and infuriating in equal measures.

So what is to be done about this ?

What is also so noticeable is that men can pull off GC comments but women are dragged thru the shit if they do.

Alice Cooper, Carlos Santana, Ne Yo. They can pull it off. Ne Yo even counteracted an official record label retort to his posts.

But Roisin as a female? No way could she be allowed to stand. She must be dragged down.

My next Q...are the sisterhood gonna support her? Those with sufficient cash in the back to give the middle finger to whomever they wish.

Adele, Bejonce, Bjork, Taylor Swift. Are they gonna rally behind Roisin? Or will they stay silent?

Well, we're on Mumsnet, Roisin is a mother - hence her parental concern in the first place. What do we propose ? Solidarity does sound like a good idea..

Some folk may want Roisin cancelled bt WE'RE in the audience, too - and we don't ; sorry not sorry : )

Ha! V good.

I'll gladly buy her stuff - but what's the best that benefits her, not her cowardly record company?

So did Homoelectric give a reason why Roisin Murphy’s album launch event was cancelled? Did Homeelectric cancel it (which would be disgusting, they have working relationships going back years and are all about non-conformity apparently) or was she not ok and didn’t want to/not able to perform there?

Neither of those are good situations. I really hope she’s OK. It must be awful knowing someone in her personal circle has passed on her concerns for the purpose of public punishment.

I thought her follow up statement was fair enough and I do appreciate it as she didn’t say actually sorry for what she said. Her concern about vulnerable kids being open to exploitation is completely justified and right. I’m glad she said it.

Also want to agree that the men’s sexual rights authoritarians do not get to own creativity and individuality and they don’t get to be the self appointed judges of who is welcome to express themselves. Just echoing the points RealityFan said upthread.

If she ever reads this thank you Roisin and keep going