Roisin Murphy

[WarriorN]

Is it true? Did did say this?

"Puberty blockers ARE FUCKED! Big pharma laughing all the way to the bank!"

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/ne-yo-walks-back-apology-for-comments-about-childrens-gender-identity-1234802497/amp/

He is very well established though re: the earlier comments on this thread about how early on RM is in her career.

Is this gay men attacking her, or the alphabet plus? I don't get why some gay people would support transing the gay away like this.

Yeah @WarriorN she is huge in the Balearic scene apparently

Francis Barber.

Gay men mostly, but Abhannmor points out she's big in the Balearic gay scene.

Or just Balearic scene.

@Helleofabore interestingly — I actually don’t find it in the least funny. It’s excruciating to listen to. Its value is more just a shared social currency I think.

Thank you for this, it’s really helping me understand my feelings about my own family history. For as long as I can remember, quoting a relevant line from the sketch is an automatic, almost axiomatic response to any family mention of the shared poverty or hardship. I’m thinking for us personally , it might have been a way of signaling ‘I hear you, but please don’t talk about it too much’ to eachother.

Advice from the best.

Never apologise. Never explain.

It's weird because four of us - my parents , brother and me - did actually live in one room and share bathroom and kitchen with other tenants way back.

But we loved the sketch - a catharsis maybe?

I’m not really sure she has recanted though. I think it was Taylor Swift who first said something along the lines of “I would like to be excluded from this narrative” …which is all I took from RM’s message. I think there needs to be room here for people who have an opinion but can’t really be arsed with the drama of debating or defending that opinion.

I really think those who have said she has apologised have misread her. She's saying this is her one and only statement. And that she's sorry for any hurt caused. And she's not a crusader. But she hasn't recanted.

Was she ever likely to keep it going? Would anyone expect that after what JKR and Glinner have experienced?

I said earlier on these she’s played at Glitterbox which is one of the very inclusive club nights in Ibiza (plus various other locations across UK and Europe) so she’s got a big following in the alphabet scene.

But she’s not said anything offensive imo she’s given her opinion that she has no need to apologise for.

Abhannmor & WyrdyGrob

It is a very interesting thought process indeed.

It was only when I started to discuss my childhood with people in the UK, that I realised just how different it really was and that few people can conceptualise what I considered 'normal'. (Because there were many others with worse situations)

I know the skit is based on the ridiculousness that even people in desperate times might resort to 'one upmanship'. I don't believe it was relevant to the thread however.

"Because there were many others with worse situations", where I grew up to be clear. And in other parts of the world too.

Yes, she hasn't said she's sorry for saying what she did. She's said she's sorry that she hurt people by saying it. That's not the same thing.

Once you've seen the harm this is doing to children you can't go back to not seeing it. How could anyone who is aware enough of the harm to make a public statement apologise for pointing out that this sexually motivated men's rights movement is harming children?

I think she's re-edited her recent statement to add she's stepped out of line, and her original FB post was on a tangential issue to another search.

I think I'm gonna also "re-edit" my thoughts that she was a hero.

Yep, have rechecked.
She's added that she stepped out of line.
Now she's not only done a 180 but actually said it's a subject she had no permission to speak on.
No different from Ladies, Know Your Limits.
Now she insults herself, and women in general.
I guess her place in queer festivals was threatened, her album launch compromised.

But I guarantee one thing. She believes what she wrote in that FB post. So how does she feel now, that she's been brought to heel?

Ultimate irony. She's burnt her bridges with her queer IDd fans, they're not going back to her. And GC women fans everywhere will look at her wryly.

She's created the worst of all worlds for herself. While the worries she's had on kids won't go away.

I feel for her though. The very real threats to tear down her career.

But. It is massively disappointing because prominent people need to start standing fucking firm on the truth. But the fault lies with the toxic TRAs poisoning any debate and attacking freedom of speech.

What a shame.

Don't get me wrong, I feel for her. Maybe she was a little worse for wear on the original FB post, it was certainly very emotional. Maybe she was cold as ice calm as she wrote it.

Fact is, she stuck to her guns while straddling a difficult line. Now, that line has collapsed, and she's tumbled down.

Now she's not only done a 180 but actually said it's a subject she had no permission to speak on.

Permission? Oh good grief.

She obviously saw the Harry Enfield/Women, Know Your Limits sketch, and thought, y'know, that's what I want to message.

Of course it's being highlighted on that hive of unreality, trans ally Twitter, is swarming with fans (now ex fans) saying her non apology is a farce.

Apologising for this stuff is like being in the water with a Great White circling, and you decide to cut your arm until it bleeds.

While those who cheered you on for your bravery have now turned away.

Haven't you heard? Cancel culture is a myth.

So sad she felt she had to apologise for having an opinion.

This whole movement is made up of very fragile people and the Tyranny of the Weak is very much in action; it is weak people acting in a tyrannical way, as described by OScar Wilde:

"the worst form of tyranny the world has ever known is the tyranny of the weak over the strong."

This is all about to bullying people into feeling sorry for them, bending to their every whim and us all having to walk on eggshells so as not to shatter their fragile egos. So fucking what if someone thinks hormone therapy is a disaster, I mean it objectively is, but if you think something different, go for your life, but don't expect people not to have an opinion on it, that, in our free society, is a right.

She should not have apologised.

I'm a physical therapist. I've already self censored multiple times, feel bad everytime.

Would I right now speak at my national conference, or get together at my old college, or write a letter to The Times, or publish a blog, or go big on Twitter under my own name, to extol my full GC views?

I wouldn't. I've already had the weird experience of TRAs picking up on my comments here, and trolling me on Twitter. It felt very weird indeed, quite threatening in some ways.

I would only go public if I was gonna continue down this track. But I'm not known in any way, so it's a mute point.

But if I was a writer, actor, musician or other artist, of some repute, success and visibility...would I say publically how I feel?

I'd like to think I would. But I can easily see how I wouldn't.

But to be forthright, stir the hornets nest, release a statement that uneasily straddles a seismic fault line, and then edit that to not only recant, but use the worst 1950s tropes of "ooh, what do I as a woman have to say?", is so unsatisfactory, she's angering everyone.

Remember folks, no cancel culture.

I can’t imagine anyone on the gender critical “side” could possibly change their mind the other way. It’s like being an ardent Remainer who suddenly sees the Brexit light.