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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Roisin Murphy

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WarriorN · 24/08/2023 06:38

Is it true? Did did say this?

"Puberty blockers ARE FUCKED! Big pharma laughing all the way to the bank!"

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ReeseWitherfork · 28/08/2023 20:38

@RealityFan no, but there are so few places on the internet that talks about this stuff, I’m convinced anyone on this side of the debate must spend time here. I’m often curious which poster JKR is.

RealityFan · 28/08/2023 20:44

ReeseWitherfork · 28/08/2023 20:38

@RealityFan no, but there are so few places on the internet that talks about this stuff, I’m convinced anyone on this side of the debate must spend time here. I’m often curious which poster JKR is.

Q is, how many toxic TRAs we've heard of use pseudonyms here?

WyrdyGrob · 29/08/2023 00:32

@Helleofabore I don’t think Reality was being disrespectful of your experience. I didn’t read it that way anyway.

if, as I suspect Reality is of a similar generation and location to me, then the Yorkshiremen live rent free in our heads.. it’s hard not to mention them.

if you haven’t seen the sketch it’s worth a watch, it starts off sensibly, becomes very silly, then absurd, as is most Monty python stuff. But it hits home for me because, though it is so silly, it references a grim shared experience. my parents and grandparents are those Yorkshiremen and women.

They did live in houses that were later bulldozed for slum clearance, and worked unbelievably long hours in mines and cotton mills.. that sketch follows the pattern of some of the conversations I listened into as a small child when we visited aunts and uncles. It is good observational comedy, then taken to extremes, as they did.

when I hear it,I am taken back to my grandmother’s dinner table, and my aunts and uncles trooping in and out, bringing tales of their childhood, their work and the war. The absurdity of the sketch is clever, because as a child I struggled to believe the truth of the awful living and working conditions that generation endured, so the reality of their lives did sound that absurd to me.

sorry for the digression. I’ve always had a soft spot for that sketch because of its clever kernel of truth, and just wanted to defend it.

fitflops, feminism AND working class social history via the medium of absurdist comedy. All in one thread.

Helleofabore · 29/08/2023 07:39

I get it WyrdyGrob. As a matter of interest, if you had been living in the conditions your aunts and uncles had lived, would you have found the sketch as funny as you did?

WarriorN · 29/08/2023 14:27

Update : I don't think this is an apology actually.

And she really has nothing to apologise for.

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TwoDigestives · 29/08/2023 14:41

I'm so glad she hasn't backed down, if you're reading this (I bet she's a Mumsnetter)

Thank you 😊

RealityFan · 29/08/2023 14:44

WyrdyGrob · 29/08/2023 00:32

@Helleofabore I don’t think Reality was being disrespectful of your experience. I didn’t read it that way anyway.

if, as I suspect Reality is of a similar generation and location to me, then the Yorkshiremen live rent free in our heads.. it’s hard not to mention them.

if you haven’t seen the sketch it’s worth a watch, it starts off sensibly, becomes very silly, then absurd, as is most Monty python stuff. But it hits home for me because, though it is so silly, it references a grim shared experience. my parents and grandparents are those Yorkshiremen and women.

They did live in houses that were later bulldozed for slum clearance, and worked unbelievably long hours in mines and cotton mills.. that sketch follows the pattern of some of the conversations I listened into as a small child when we visited aunts and uncles. It is good observational comedy, then taken to extremes, as they did.

when I hear it,I am taken back to my grandmother’s dinner table, and my aunts and uncles trooping in and out, bringing tales of their childhood, their work and the war. The absurdity of the sketch is clever, because as a child I struggled to believe the truth of the awful living and working conditions that generation endured, so the reality of their lives did sound that absurd to me.

sorry for the digression. I’ve always had a soft spot for that sketch because of its clever kernel of truth, and just wanted to defend it.

fitflops, feminism AND working class social history via the medium of absurdist comedy. All in one thread.

Yep, no disrespect intended.

WarriorN · 29/08/2023 14:46

x.com/roisinmurphy/status/1696510651378582006?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

views are going through the roof.

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RealityFan · 29/08/2023 14:47

WarriorN · 29/08/2023 14:27

Update : I don't think this is an apology actually.

And she really has nothing to apologise for.

Its very sensitively phrased. She's said her piece, she stands behind it, no regrets, she's sad to lose fans, she loves all her fans, no crusade from her.

Total respect.

WarriorN · 29/08/2023 14:48

She says outright that she's never made music for a demographic as discussed upthread.

They just assumed she was "one of them."

It's about time someone pointed out you can just be quirky. End.

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WarriorN · 29/08/2023 14:55

Glad replies haven't been turned off.

It's bringing out a lot of mras. (Literally dick wanging when I clicked on one Confused)

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RealityFan · 29/08/2023 14:58

Is Roisin gonna be the first woman not to have buckled to the mob? JKR obviously, but she's almost an exception here.

I can't recall anyone who's visible who's done this in the arts world. Especially a woman.

She's a real hero imho.

WarriorN · 29/08/2023 15:17

Who knows.

They're certainly demonstrating their misogynistic authoritarianism.

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ArcaneWireless · 29/08/2023 15:22

It's about time someone pointed out you can just be quirky.

Aye.

And that you don’t even have to be quirky or different. Just you.

Sometimes having too many options and paths to walk down (more so if those responsible for you are overly eager to take you by the hand and skip you down those paths) is not necessarily a good thing.

WarriorN · 29/08/2023 15:30

Quite.

I'm wondering if she was big on the continent as a lot of the qt scathing comments are <sorry I have no idea which language, Italian ? Spanish?>. And male.

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WarriorN · 29/08/2023 15:30

IS big on the continent. I don't have an edit button yet

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RebelliousCow · 29/08/2023 15:31

When you look at twitter you realise just how much the world is full of stupid, vacuous people. I think it has always been that way. In medieval times people would turn up to throw rotten veg at some miscreant, or to watch a hanging.

RebelliousCow · 29/08/2023 15:36

"It is hard to overestimate how meaningful the fan-diva relationship is for gay men. What is so perplexing is why this pseudo-religious devotion has always been laced with spit

For Adam Byrne, a 23-year-old gay stan, this was a prime example of gay misogyny: “They didn’t care what she had to say. They just wanted to silence her.”
For him, this behaviour typifies gay stan culture: female artists must obey the rules or suffer the consequences. “A sinister side emerges when their ‘fave’ isn’t giving them exactly what they want,”

RebelliousCow · 29/08/2023 15:36

laced with spite, not spit.......

WarriorN · 29/08/2023 15:58

Aggree with both posts @RebelliousCow

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CorruptedCauldron · 29/08/2023 16:12

At first it looks like a grovelling apology but on careful reading, she’s not actually retracted her statement about puberty blockers or said any of the usual hostage mantras like “I need to go away and educate myself.” However, she HAS effectively said “Don’t worry, I’ll shut my mouth now.” And this is what TRAs ultimately want, to silence dissenters.

Now they’re all riled on Twitter, probably more so than if she hadn’t tried to explain herself. The pitchfork-wielders do not accept olive branches as appeasement, it’s all or nothing. Repent, witch, repent! I hope Roisin can ride out the storm.

Lottapianos · 29/08/2023 16:20

'However, she HAS effectively said “Don’t worry, I’ll shut my mouth now.”'

And that's a real shame, although I can't really blame her

RealityFan · 29/08/2023 16:37

I believe we can't expect any more from Roisin. I believe she's gone above and beyond.

Would JKR have said what she has much earlier in her career?

Look at Glinner for the example of someone who's deep dived. It ain't pretty.

As she said, she's not a crusader. But she's already said in a few words more than cowards do in a lifetime.

ReeseWitherfork · 29/08/2023 17:18

RealityFan · 29/08/2023 14:58

Is Roisin gonna be the first woman not to have buckled to the mob? JKR obviously, but she's almost an exception here.

I can't recall anyone who's visible who's done this in the arts world. Especially a woman.

She's a real hero imho.

Neyo perhaps? (Not a woman, but someone on the arts scene who hasn’t done a u-turn.)

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