Cheryl Hole on LGBTQ representation

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-66513419

'Cheryl has promised to "bring the glamour" to the kitchen but has also been "cooking my little Essex bum off" in preparation.
She added like every Essex girl she is a lover of a chippy at the end of a night out and always had a hankering for a battered sausage or saveloy.'

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I'm pretty damn GC but "Hole" is referring to, I believe, the way in some which gay men choose to have sex, rather than anything to do with women.

Also no such thing as women's or men's clothes.

However - this style of drag is absolutely not for children. We can all agree on that.

it's a play on 'Cheryl Cole', a woman, used by a man who dresses up to exaggeratedly impersonate women.

Well aware of that. I'm just seeing people complain that the 'hole' refers to women, rather than... forgive me, but anus.

I think clarity is important when criticising this, is all.

Well, tbh, whether it refers to a vagina or an anus, I'd say the name is not what I'd call suitable family entertainment.

Feel free to send it to them @Takethefrickinhintalready

“So you see, Little Susie, it’s just a joke about anal sex, that’s all. What’s that? It’s sex up the bum, dear.”

Also no such thing as women's or men's clothes.

I've seen this opinion a lot, but I disagree. Women's clothes are designed for women's bodies - our shape and skeletal proportions and overall greater degree of plumpness. Women's trousers are cut differently to men's. Roomier through the hips and thighs and no need for the extra material at the front. Shorter legs.
Men's clothes can be "skirts" or "dresses" - but they are versions designed for men's shape and proportions and different areas of adiposity. Togas, tunics, kilts. Sarongs, maybe. All "dresses" and "skirts" for men. There are plenty of "comfortable" or non-standard male garb options. If they choose women's clothes, it's for a reason. And it's not the fit.

Obviously there is some overlap in shape, proportions, etc and a tall, lean swimmer type of woman would look great in men's trousers, for example. But basically a dressmaker's model for a man is different to one for a woman.

😂😂

Which is exactly what I said in my post. I just believe we should be clear what we're arguing against.

The hole is clearly a euphemism for the female sexual organ.

Most drag names involve over-blown depictions of female steroptypes or bodily parts/functions.

I've recently come across 'Violet Period Pain' and 'Anna Bortion' on fly-posting in my city

Cheryl Hole first featured on Ru Pauls' Drag race as far as I'm aware? at about the same timne as 'Baga Chipz' - which was a depiction of a cheap working class 'slag' with disgusting smelling genitalia.

I love @LoobiJee 's idea of getting the BBC to explain. Then we can ask them if they expect all the public to know that? What about the public who don't already know? What about people who know it might have more than one meaning, one for the cool girls and one for everyone else, and don't what to hazard a guess at which one the artiste means?

Perhaps the Beeb needs to spell it out to everyone so we all know not to be offended. A public information campaign!

To the poster that suggested that there was " no such thing as men's and women's clothes" - what is it then that you think men are expected to do to show that they have " lived as a woman for two years" when applying for a GRC? Wearing " women's clothes" is certainly one of them.

I wonder if n years to come this will be seen as we see the Black and White minstrels now

In any case whichever orifice is meant, it's insulting to attach it to a woman's name, and given the possible-to obvious meaning... oh I didn't mean that when I called him the n-word, everyone knows that in my culture it means something quite harmless, inclusive and complimentary.

How difficult can it be to avoid sexual insults, assuming you actually want to, of course?

To the poster that suggested that there was " no such thing as men's and women's clothes"

If there wasn't then there couldn't be drag in the first place.

Which is not to say that unisex clothing would get rid of drag. All societies have social signals about what sex people are, more or less subtle ones, usually including clothes. If not clothes then drag artists would highlight the other social signals instead. Like walks, voices, gestures, topics of conversation, anything really. But we do have different expectations for men's and women's clothes, and drag artists use and exaggerate the ones for the other sex. There's no such thing as a unisex drag performance.

I sincerely hope so.

Actually I like the idea of a unisex drag show. I can't be the first to think of it - has anyone done it? Performer turns up in jeans, loose T shirt, trainers, shortish hair or hair tied back in a pony tail with a plain band.

Kimonos are sort of unisex. But even then there are differences in the style reflecting both the different physiques and gender norms. Plus there's this...
Men and women also have a noticeable difference in attaching sleeves to the body of the kimono. While men's kimonos usually have fully sewn on sleeves that can be used as a pocket for a wallet, women's sleeves are attached only with the upper part of the sleeve, above the shoulder.

Women aren't allowed pockets. Typical!

https://tealao.com/en/blog/difference-between-mens-and-womens-kimono

Hello, it's me. I'm GC and don't believe GRCs should be handed out. Don't believe in gender at all, actually. Certainly don't believe in sexed clothes. I'll cede the point on things that are structured differently for sexed bodies, but trousers, dresses, etc as categories? Nope.

May I ask for clarification on what a "sexed body" is?

Sure. Referring to the physical differences between a woman's body and a man's body.

Yes, in a theoretical world - but that is not how the actual world works. Certainly not when it comes to items of clothing that are designated 'women's clothing' ( skirts/dresses/high heels/bras/lingerie and so on). Far lesss so when it comes to ietms designated male clothing.

That males have far les room for manoeuvre/expression may be one of the reasons behind the male procilvity for cross dressing/transvestitism. Eddie Izzard used to say "these are not women's clothes, they are my clothes" - though he eventually shnaged his mind, didn't he?