Comedy event cancelled at the Fringe because of Glinner?

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I hadn't seen anything about this on X/Twitter previously, but apparently some activists have been putting pressure on the venue and they've cancelled an upcoming event called Comedy Unleashed because one of the comedians is Graham Linehan. How utterly pathetic. https://twitter.com/UnleashedComedy/status/1691476377793409024?s=20 Seems to be organised by/associated with Andrew Doyle, aka Titania McGrath.

I'm still laughing at the inclusion of the ribbony fearty on that list. He just made himself look a right bloody arse.

The list above might as well be titled - 'look at these fuckwits!'

Leaving aside the fact that there is no credible basis to describe any of them as a child abuser, you're also logically wrong.

GL doesn't say those are the only central trans figures (as proven by the fact that that list of six doesn't include Aimee Challoner, who he also thinks is a 'central trans figure'.

So it's pretty interesting that people on here are saying that GL's list of central trans figures includes Aimee Challoner, Andrea Long Chiu, Julia Serano, Grace Lavery...but doesn't include Owen Jones, Katy Montgomery, Mhairi Black, Angela Eagle.

There are dozens of people who are more central than those folk to trans activism. And like it or not, GL has claimed that 'nearly all' of them are nonces.

I say that because he's been bounced into this situation by a few teenage and young people who put on drag king acts at his venue.

Escalating this into a show trial about who is a nonce and who isn't a nonce seems to be the goal of a few posters on this thread, not the owner of this low margin business selling drinks and food.

Drag King as a performance always strikes me as a bit pathetic.

Instead of doing something original it's just an unconvincing reversal of something men do.

Men have referred to each other as queens as an insult or compliment in gay culture for a long time, but King? Its got no cultural resonance at all and is hardly ground breaking, its just a weak copy cat.

King! Shake up the patriarchy by, I know, naming wearing men's clothing after royalty.

Profound.

No, indeed. They just need to be able to show that GL engages in abhorrent smears of people based on being trans, or supporting trans people, and therefore that cancelling the show was not merely about beliefs, but about abhorrent actions bringing the venue into disrepute.

So again, would ask the question - who on my list do you think is a less prominent or central figure than Aimee Challoner?

Given the input Challenor has had on Reddit, Terfblocker, the Greens etc compare that to:

David Paisley
Monty

What have they done? Tweeted a bit?

Freddy McConnell

Female got pregnant. Made a documentary.

Owen Jones

I’ll agree currently more influential.

Shon Faye
Jake and Hannah Graf

Haven’t heard from for ages, so by your definition not “central”.

Laverne Cox
Elliott Page

Famous

Helen Webberley
Sally Hines

Currently more central due to their belief in drugging of children and fetuses and being allowed to tell people this. But not more central overall.

Janey Godley

Who?

Mhairi Black
Angela Eagle

Politicians who are activists are always influential. You didn’t mention Jamie Wallis though? Why?

Laurie Penny

Again, tweets and writes but what else?

Show to who?

OK, let's just take the ones you agree are more central.

Helen Webberley
Sally Hines
Mhairi Black
Angela Eagle
Owen Jones

I disagree with your categorisation of the others by the way, since I don't think you can dismiss social media presence or fame in terms of influence on an issue - indeed I would argue the entire trans panic stemmed from Laverne Cox's famous front page.

But even on those five - I presume you'd recognise that it would be abhorrent to claim that 'nearly all' of them are nonces?

A court, if they were sued under the Equality Act 2010.

Show to who?

So he is going to court over "nonce"?

The people who are "central" (assuming central means high-profile/influential) seem to change, though, don't they?

Jess Bradley used to be central, but isn't any more.

Lily Madigan used to be central, but isn't any more.

Remind me why we don't hear much about them these days. There is something, but it's slipped my mind.

I'm waiting to find out if this business owner is committed to this court case.

I didn’t claim they were all more influential or central I believe they are currently as central as Challenor was. Everyone is trying to memory hole Challenor but Challenor’s influence previously is as great as anyone else’s.

But central is subjective. Your central is famous people. For others it’s those who have had influence in ways that don’t stand out on the red carpet in a boy’s tuxedo.

You do know the difference between 'on the balance of probability ' and 'beyond all reasonable doubt' don't you?

What's important is who Graham thinks are central:

Aimee Challoner
Andrea Long Chiu
Julia Serano
Grace Lavery
Jacob Tobia
Alok Vaid-Menon

I feel really sorry for him, he's likely being bombarded with screenshots and articles whilst trying to run an 18 hour a day business and figure out if he's got a couple of grand spare to even engage with a lawyer. Unlikely.

He will be pestered constantly by activists trying push him into a massive show trial.

And we all know how much that costs.

Poor bastard! He will probably just put the business into voluntary liquidation and walk away.

Several people posting on this thread are Scottish. We are very well aware that the Scottish Greens are separate to the Westminster Greens. Technically, the same is true for the other big UK political parties too, isn't it - Labour, Tory, LibDem? The Scottish Greens have a totally disproportionate influence in Scotland because they are in coalition with the SNP and have been able to push through the gender reform proposals which the UK government is challenging. They are out of step with public opinion in Scotland but as somebody, probably Arabella, explained to me the other day, thanks to the list system used at elections the Scots are stuck with them for the foreseeable future.

I mean, what are his choices now? On the one hand, take the stand on behalf of a few drag king performers who just about keep your business solvent, or apologise for overreacting and they all crybully his business into insolvency.

Rock and a hard place.

Why is it being assumed I don't know the misc. Greens are separate parties? Prior to schism last year over transphobia, the parties were aligned and worked together. Challinor was active in the party prior to the split.

Personally, I'd love the world to see how transactivism works.

Banning a show because of one of the comedian's legally protected belief, which is then countered by an invented list of people not being pedophiles 🤣

This is how Ben Cooper got his kicks.

How handy that Graham provided that list.

He had defined who he means.

And let's not forget Stonewall influences schools' policy for children. The Challoners influenced children's organisations. Mermaids is a children's charity.

The issue will be who is influencing the policies of these organisations. Not which random tells pupils to 'suck dick and get tits early', on Twitter. (Gross tho it is.)

Oh. Ok. My mistake.

I assumed that since YOU personally produced that list, I assume you must be trans yourself as you are claiming these people are ‘central’ to the activism of trans people, you must feel they are held in high regard. Otherwise, why would they be on a list of influential people?

Let’s be clear, this is you claiming these are central people to trans activism. Kind of a bold statement to make if you are not trans yourself.

Yes. Let’s keep on mentioning just the depth of influence that Challoner had. Because the attempts to diminish that is ludicrous.

Aimee Challoner
Andrea Long Chiu
Julia Serano
Grace Lavery
Jacob Tobia
Alok Vaid-Menon

So are all these people happy to have their public profile examined in court to prove that the business owner didn't cancel this show on the basis of protected belief?

Has anyone checked with them?