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Comedy event cancelled at the Fringe because of Glinner?

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/08/2023 17:29

I hadn't seen anything about this on X/Twitter previously, but apparently some activists have been putting pressure on the venue and they've cancelled an upcoming event called Comedy Unleashed because one of the comedians is Graham Linehan. How utterly pathetic. https://twitter.com/UnleashedComedy/status/1691476377793409024?s=20 Seems to be organised by/associated with Andrew Doyle, aka Titania McGrath.

https://twitter.com/UnleashedComedy/status/1691476377793409024?s=20

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Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 12:00

Can anyone tell me what Paisley and Godley has done for trans rights? Outside of awareness and usually that has not been positive publicity for trans people either, what have they both achieved?

Horticulturer · 17/08/2023 12:01

Graham desribes all these people as "central figures in the trans movement" so as long as almost every one of them is a "nonce" he's golden.

Comedy event cancelled at the Fringe because of Glinner?
Comedy event cancelled at the Fringe because of Glinner?
PlanetJanette · 17/08/2023 12:01

IcakethereforeIam · 17/08/2023 11:36

That list of names are people who happen to be transgender or useful idiots. None of them are as influential as Challenor was. He was influential in and ran for deputy leader of the Greens, the party currently wagging the Snp dog. He wrote or helped write their policies. The British Government are currently going to court with the SNP as a direct result of those policies. That's pretty influential and just the tip of the genderberg, I've not even mentioned Stonewall.

The people on that list may not be without influence but, in a Sliding Doors type scenario, if their lives had taken different turns we would still be In this situation. If Challenor had taken a healthier route things would definitely be different.

You know that the Scottish Green Party and the Green Party of England and Wales are not the same, right?

Challoner had no role in the Scottish Green Party.

I think you are overstating how much influence the head of a minor political party's LGBT+ network has on policy. The party is not in a position of significant influence, and Challoner was not in a place of particular influence within the party either.

So a medium influence person in a low influence political party is the threshold for central in shaping policy.

I would say that actual elected politicians in major parties that advocate for trans rights are far more central. I would say that those who have written extensively and have large audiences for their views are far more central.

ArabeIIaScott · 17/08/2023 12:04

PlanetJanette · 17/08/2023 12:01

You know that the Scottish Green Party and the Green Party of England and Wales are not the same, right?

Challoner had no role in the Scottish Green Party.

I think you are overstating how much influence the head of a minor political party's LGBT+ network has on policy. The party is not in a position of significant influence, and Challoner was not in a place of particular influence within the party either.

So a medium influence person in a low influence political party is the threshold for central in shaping policy.

I would say that actual elected politicians in major parties that advocate for trans rights are far more central. I would say that those who have written extensively and have large audiences for their views are far more central.

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Are you sure you want to bring the Scottish Green Party into this?

Snowypeaks · 17/08/2023 12:06

RoyalCorgi · 17/08/2023 11:56

You could argue a long time about the meaning of "central". But I think there are certainly high-profile supporters of trans rights who have dodgy records. We all know that Peter Tatchell, for example, while not being trans himself, is a high-profile supporter of trans rights and is on the record as showing sympathy to sexual relations between adults and children.

Then there's Roger Spackman, a councillor who liked dressing up as a little girl, who was convicted for possessing child abuse images.

Or Peter Bright, a US journalist who was outspoken in support of trans rights, and was convicted of trying to procure sex with a young girl.

Or Veronica Ivy, the cyclist whose flatmate has been charged with soliciting a minor.

Then there are all the non-high profile ones - men who have been convicted of crimes relating to child sex abuse and who also happen to identify as trans. A UK list here, relating to child sexual abuse images:

https://transcrimeuk.com/category/sexual-offences/possession-of-csa-images/

Does it matter if they're not "central"?

I think PlanetJanette might be focusing on the central aspect and its definition so that they can claim that a group of people they have selected are being defamed. That was the TalkTV presenter's angle.

Goodviibrations · 17/08/2023 12:06

NotBadConsidering · 17/08/2023 11:39

Owen Jones
Shon Faye
Laverne Cox
Freddie McConnell
Jake and Hannah Graf
Elliott Page
Katy Montgomery
Helen Webberley
David Paisely
Sally Hines
Janey Godley
Mhairi Black
Angela Eagle
Laurie Penny

Dinner party from hell.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/08/2023 12:06

You're not wrong Grin

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 12:10

Horticulturer · 17/08/2023 12:01

Graham desribes all these people as "central figures in the trans movement" so as long as almost every one of them is a "nonce" he's golden.

I look forward to their defence by Janette.

Each and every one of them. I mean, there is Grace Lavery who Laurie Penny actively supports.

NotBadConsidering · 17/08/2023 12:11

Goodviibrations · 17/08/2023 12:06

Dinner party from hell.

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At least Hines would be entertaining once she’d had a drink or two

Horticulturer · 17/08/2023 12:13

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 12:10

I look forward to their defence by Janette.

Each and every one of them. I mean, there is Grace Lavery who Laurie Penny actively supports.

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There's 5 people there, so we need to pick let's say 4 who fulfill the defintion of "nonce".

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Comedy event cancelled at the Fringe because of Glinner?
Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 12:16

I am really surprised that Webberley is on that list.

Mind you, I think that if that is the quality of Janette's selection, any one reading this thread who has been following for the past two years or so will understand that this is really a horrific insight into who some people believe are stellar people who progress the needs of trans people.

I would love to have a trans person come and tell us how many of these people should be lauded as being beacons of moral superiority as Janette has done here today. Because it would show the dept of hypocrisy in this very topic under discussion here.

Maybe Janette is a trans person and will give us that insight?

Or maybe they are not a trans person, yet feels they have some kind of authority to speak for them in posting this list as exemplar trans activists on behalf of trans people.

ArabeIIaScott · 17/08/2023 12:18

Sorry, ex co-convener.

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 12:19

Horticulturer · 17/08/2023 12:13

There's 5 people there, so we need to pick let's say 4 who fulfill the defintion of "nonce".

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You really want someone to defame a person on this thread?

Why?

I have posted examples of concerns people have over people's behaviour.

You are now asking people to specifically defame someone.

All for the sake of trying to claim the moral high ground that you feel you have. Yet, you are distracting, dismissing and diminishing very hard from people who have published their own support of sex abuse directly or indirectly in many forms.

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 12:21

So Janette are you trans yourself? Or is this a list of people you, as a person who isn't trans, has posted in relation to who you feel are great activists for trans people?

Horticulturer · 17/08/2023 12:26

You really want someone to defame a person on this thread?

No, that would be foolish but we can post links to reports of the ones who have been convicted.

RealityFan · 17/08/2023 12:27

Despite being full on GC and right behind Linehan, I think it's a mistake to major on the pedophilia angle. Especially the way the mass media works.

Graham could have produced that mission statement of Tatchell's, his predeliction for decriminalising adult sexual relations with children, shown it to the interviewer, she could have read it, and STILL he would have been shown no quarter.

He's best arguing cancel culture in this particular case, and the irrefutable arguments borne of Lia Thomas, Adam Bryson, Cass Report, burgeoning regret of paediatric specialists globally.

Saying pedophilia on air was always gonna set off an air raid klaxon in the studio.

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 12:28

Horticulturer · 17/08/2023 12:26

You really want someone to defame a person on this thread?

No, that would be foolish but we can post links to reports of the ones who have been convicted.

Yes. that we can do.

And labelling someone a 'nonce' is also a sure way to get this thread deleted. And for screenshots to be taken as well as legal action.

Horticulturer · 17/08/2023 12:30

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 12:28

Yes. that we can do.

And labelling someone a 'nonce' is also a sure way to get this thread deleted. And for screenshots to be taken as well as legal action.

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Agreed, calling someone a 'nonce' online when it isn't true could lead to them having to defend that accusation in court.

Hepwo · 17/08/2023 12:32

This is all a bit bizarre. This business owner is not going to go to court to prove or not prove who is a nonce or who isn't a nonce is he?

PlanetJanette · 17/08/2023 12:33

NicCageisnotNickCave · 17/08/2023 11:32

Prominent in the media or influential on policy? Because I don’t think Elliot Page is at all central to Transgenderism, more a victim of it.

I have a feeling your definition of ‘central’ is fame based, which isn’t what I would call ‘central’ at all.

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It is based on influence.

The head of LGBT+ network of the joint tenth largest political party in the UK Parliament is simply not as influential as you claim.

A 17 year old sitting on an 'advisory group' of a large charity, one of more than sixteen people on such a group, is simply not as influential as you claim.

I don't deny that Aimee Challoner had some moderate influence - but nothing compared to those on my list in terms of shaping discourse and debate about these issues or influencing policy.

So again, would ask the question - who on my list do you think is a less prominent or central figure than Aimee Challoner?

PlanetJanette · 17/08/2023 12:34

ArabeIIaScott · 17/08/2023 12:04

Are you sure you want to bring the Scottish Green Party into this?

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I didn't bring the Scottish Green Party into it. The poster who was spouting off about how influential the Green Party is did, without realising that they are two different parties.

PlanetJanette · 17/08/2023 12:36

Helleofabore · 17/08/2023 12:16

I am really surprised that Webberley is on that list.

Mind you, I think that if that is the quality of Janette's selection, any one reading this thread who has been following for the past two years or so will understand that this is really a horrific insight into who some people believe are stellar people who progress the needs of trans people.

I would love to have a trans person come and tell us how many of these people should be lauded as being beacons of moral superiority as Janette has done here today. Because it would show the dept of hypocrisy in this very topic under discussion here.

Maybe Janette is a trans person and will give us that insight?

Or maybe they are not a trans person, yet feels they have some kind of authority to speak for them in posting this list as exemplar trans activists on behalf of trans people.

Is there a reason you feel the need to lie about what I've said.

I have said nothing about the moral superiority of anyone on that list.

All I have said is that they are all at least as, or more, central and influential in trans rights activism than Aimee Challoner. So why lie and say that I made claims about their moral superiority?

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