Comedy event cancelled at the Fringe because of Glinner?

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I hadn't seen anything about this on X/Twitter previously, but apparently some activists have been putting pressure on the venue and they've cancelled an upcoming event called Comedy Unleashed because one of the comedians is Graham Linehan. How utterly pathetic. https://twitter.com/UnleashedComedy/status/1691476377793409024?s=20 Seems to be organised by/associated with Andrew Doyle, aka Titania McGrath.

And she had to check her notes before she said the names of his big hits.

And she didn't know that he was not a political comedy writer. I mean, Father Ted as searing political commentary?

No, I don't believe she was a fan either. Just trying to shame him with her faux disappointment.

Also, as an aside, I'd love to see anything and everything that that list of people have said or written, publicised as much as possible.

From Helen Webberley's GMC investigations to Shon Fay's advice to school pupils, 'suck dick, get tits early'.

I class nonce-apologists only one grade below convicted nonces. If anyone on PlanetJanette's list does some background reading into the history of gender ideology and changes their stance, then fair enough.

Because picking contemporary (mostly) celebrities = a very shallow understanding of the topic.

In terms of national representation, the Greens are joint tenth (along with the Alliance Party and Reclaim Party). In local representation, they hold less than 4% of council seats.

'Major political party' lol

Ahh. So by that logic, you think it's fine for Amy Challoner to influence their policy?

So which of the list I posted do you think is less prominent in trans rights activism than Amy Challoner?

who remembers the day Shon Faye slandered Ken Zucker on
Newsnight?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AcRs703k5mA

Ummm, no. Is reading comprehension difficult for you?

The point is that Amy Challoner was a pretty minor figure in trans rights activism. Being the LGBT+ officer of a tiny political party, a student union LGBT+ officer and sitting on a trans advisory panel of a national charity does not make anyone a very significant figure.

So the threshold for what GL considers to be a 'central trans figure' is low. Which is why I posted a list of people who are all much more prominent and central in trans activism than Amy Challoner (feel free to point out who you think is less central than her).

Prominent in the media or influential on policy? Because I don’t think Elliot Page is at all central to Transgenderism, more a victim of it.

I have a feeling your definition of ‘central’ is fame based, which isn’t what I would call ‘central’ at all.

That list of names are people who happen to be transgender or useful idiots. None of them are as influential as Challenor was. He was influential in and ran for deputy leader of the Greens, the party currently wagging the Snp dog. He wrote or helped write their policies. The British Government are currently going to court with the SNP as a direct result of those policies. That's pretty influential and just the tip of the genderberg, I've not even mentioned Stonewall.

The people on that list may not be without influence but, in a Sliding Doors type scenario, if their lives had taken different turns we would still be In this situation. If Challenor had taken a healthier route things would definitely be different.

I don't believe any of them have been involved in writing policy for Stonewall which gets rolled out to other organisations. Can you show us which on that list have been involved with that?

And writing policy for any of the political parties.

I mean, I question most of the people you have included on the list, but that is beside the point. I am happy to point out the concerning attitudes that most of those people have that would make them very much inappropriate for setting any safeguarding policy.

Shall we start with the way Faye (I believe, I could be wrong) and Montgomery mocked women's toilet noises on twitter? Why would any misogynists such as those two be considered suitable for influencing safeguarding policy?

Laverne Cox ran a campaign to garner sympathy for a transitioned male rapist murderer who was in prison who raped a girl. Are you sure you want Cox on this list?

Laurie Penny defends her sex abuser ex. The transitioned Lavery who posts images of their abuse of their spouse, a transitioned female. And Lavery also writes about how being abused as if they are a female as being validating.... And no. neither of these are being misrepresented. ALSO Penny told the mother of a girl who was sexually abused that her daughter should have been looking away from her abusers genitals!

I am very happy to go on with more of your names. I will even provide you with links for those I have mentioned so far - but a quick google will bring you the results you need.

You have nailed it.

Fame is apparently the basis for 'central' here.

Why have you accidentally on purpose left Tatchell off your list? He's way more prominent than any of those you mentioned, he's the one always wheeled out to defend the trans side in TV and radio discussions.

I'm glad you agree that people with connections to paedophilia should not be writing policy, or influencing education, in anyway, whether currently, or historically.

Perhaps you ought to take a look at the trans equality report given to Maria Miller in the House of Commons, that kicked this all off for many of us.

People like Jane Fae, who wants to lower the age of participants in extreme pornography, was invited to give evidence. As were Action for Trans Health. A group who, amongst other things, want to release all trans prisoners, and be given permission to operate on one another.

Graham Linehan is talking about actual people. He's not coming up with a random list, and then demanding whether or not you think they're paedophiles.

Owen Jones
Shon Faye
Laverne Cox
Freddie McConnell
Jake and Hannah Graf
Elliott Page
Katy Montgomery
Helen Webberley
David Paisely
Sally Hines
Janey Godley
Mhairi Black
Angela Eagle
Laurie Penny

They sound very inclusive indeed.... NOT

Oops, posted too soon. Was going to point out the commonality of having had a column published in the Guardian.

Oh yes.. that is true too.

They were also another one who equated being sexually harassed as being 'validating'.

There is quite a number of Faye classics.

Remember also that Faye wants there to be no jails ever. That everyone should simply be rehabilitated in very lovely spaces and not locked in and that that will work.

Didn't Hines author a paper recently that discussed Eunichs as being a valid 'gender' for children?

Hines recently co-authored the paper about how it’s ok for pregnant women to be on testosterone because if it does damage to the fetus that’s ok and how it’s ok to ignore WPATH’s caution on this.

Oh yes. And J Fae is also known to make some very racist and misogynist remarks against women.

I remember J Fae's eye opening blame on women's more delicate skulls as being the cause of women being murdered by men, I mean.... it can hardly get more misogynistic than that dismissal of violence against women.

And of course.... at the start of covid telling us all that the reason women were not dying in the numbers that men were was because it was men out there working dealing with people. Meaning the women were not working at all...

And yet.... Fae was involved in writing the policies in stonewall and for the Girl Guides.

But... hey... nothing to see here....

thanks NotBad.

Yes she did do that!

I consider that a significant safeguarding fail and that that person should never be involved in writing safeguarding policy.

I was surprised actually to see Hines on the list.

In fact, why do so many of these self identified social media male influencers use women and girl's sexual abuse as 'validating'?

Why doesn't this bother the posters who regard them as worthy of acclaim?

You could argue a long time about the meaning of "central". But I think there are certainly high-profile supporters of trans rights who have dodgy records. We all know that Peter Tatchell, for example, while not being trans himself, is a high-profile supporter of trans rights and is on the record as showing sympathy to sexual relations between adults and children.

Then there's Roger Spackman, a councillor who liked dressing up as a little girl, who was convicted for possessing child abuse images.

Or Peter Bright, a US journalist who was outspoken in support of trans rights, and was convicted of trying to procure sex with a young girl.

Or Veronica Ivy, the cyclist whose flatmate has been charged with soliciting a minor.

Then there are all the non-high profile ones - men who have been convicted of crimes relating to child sex abuse and who also happen to identify as trans. A UK list here, relating to child sexual abuse images:

https://transcrimeuk.com/category/sexual-offences/possession-of-csa-images/

Does it matter if they're not "central"?